For the Love of the Map
For the Love of the Map is the ultimate portal to Supernatural: Unreal Fitness! Hosted by MJ, the show dives deep into the latest Supernatural choreography, detailed VR workout reviews, and exclusive interviews with choreographers, coaches, and community leaders. Whether you’re a seasoned Meta Quest user or new to the VR fitness world, this podcast is packed with expert advice, tips, and inspiration to keep you motivated and moving with joy!
For the Love of the Map
Troll Tally Rising: Chad Canterbury The Chaos Coordinator | EP36
What happens when you mix Supernatural VR fitness, relentless trolling, and a Portal Combat-style boss battle? Absolute chaos. In this episode, MJ faces off against Chad, the "Chaos Coordinator", as he racks up his troll tally on a quest to hit Level 50 (MJ is not amused).
We break down our top workouts of 2024, from rage-fueled axe-grinding sessions to dance-filled flow feuds, and settle the ultimate debate: Is Fiddle & Fury the greatest workout ever, or is MJ secretly a country fan? (Chad has receipts).
🔥 Plus:
✅ The secret to 100% accuracy in Portal Combat (and why MJ still isn’t in the club)
✅ The evolution of knee strikes & why Fiddle & Fury changed the game
✅ Chaos, GIF wars, and why you should NEVER skip a warm up in a pros-only workout
✅ A special birthday shoutout for For the Love of the Map – 1 year of fitness, fun, and friendly trolling!
Will MJ survive Chad’s trolling onslaught? Will Chad finally meet his match? Tune in and find out! 🎧😂
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More of a yoga ah. F2a. I disagree. No matter where you start your journey at, you can, at that one moment in time, take that one song and just reflect it from the beginning of wherever you're at. And she's singing along at the top of her lungs, all happy, giddy to every single word in that workout, just all happy all.
Chad:yes, it's a part of my process, man.
MJ:They broke the madhouse and made it three front facing portal only.
Chad:No, dad, don't forget to rate the workout Doing this for Julia. Look at you here. What All eyes on me. Press record.
MJ:Make sure this is saved forever. You can't touch this inside of there yet. I mean, you're literally doing the typewriter with the way the triangles move you back and forth, so once again it kind of gives you that. It leads you into feeling like you can dance, Like that was the hardest thing in the supernatural library, so getting through that, there was nothing I couldn't do. The top foremost, only one that really truly matters is did I have fun? Did I enjoy it?
Chad:Don't want to keep coming back. I want to do it again and again and again. Hello and welcome back to another episode of For the Love of the Map, where we discuss all things supernatural choreography and the joy of movement. I'm your host, mj, and today I'm super excited because I have my good buddy, chad, on today. Sometimes I call him Chatters or Chad when he, you know, gets under my skin, which can happen on occasion.
MJ:You troll, you are a troll. I have not earned one yet so far. In the first 10 words I've said so it's funny.
Chad:Chad loves to troll all of his friends in funny, humorous ways, and I have a very specific GIF that I use to send him when I'm like Chad, and so I send him this troll GIF which I'll put up here so y'all can see. But this year we started a new tradition. I am keeping track of how many he earns, so he's got a big goal. He's not telling me the goal though, because he thinks that will skew the results, which I agree.
MJ:All I want to say is it's been 45 days of the year, roughly, based on when we're recording this, and I think I'm currently on troll 40, if I remember right, I think 40 was the last count. So hopefully by the time this finishes recording, it'll be at least 45 or so you know, if things go as expected. Just saying you know.
Chad:I'll be adding them to your episode left and right.
MJ:You'll see it pop up down in here. I don't know which side of me is going to pop on you. Wherever it's going to pop, troll and just a number underneath it. You'll see the running tally. Most definitely.
Chad:So one of the cool things about Chatters and why I was so excited to have him come on the podcast is we discuss choreography and workouts all the time, daily, on the daily. Anytime new workouts drop, we're always discussing them, and Chad has his preferred style of flow in boxing workouts is a little different than mine. He loves all the things. You have an appreciation for all the things.
MJ:I do, I do Absolutely.
Chad:But what you get you really going is totally different than what gets me really going, and I thought discussing some of those workouts would be super fun to do. Sure, sounds great. But first I got to ask and these are super fast questions, so you just answer, don't think about them, just answer Okay, you ready, go for it. Ice cream or cake?
MJ:Ice cream.
Chad:Rap or country.
MJ:Country.
Chad:Troll, no, I'm just messing. No, you can like whatever kind of music you want.
MJ:I like both, I love both. If you can mix both of them, I'm all good with that. You can have the rapping hoedown and, as a matter of fact, let's just advocate right now for the rap versus country music battle Showdown, yeah, showdown, fiddle and fury versus you know a little, you know get crunk or something. I just got going really good there. I could that would be kind of cool, yeah, or even if even if it don't fury madhouse, just just throw that out there.
Chad:Chad no, troll, troll, no no. Mad houses are very specific type of music and country does not belong anywhere there you got fiddle and fury. That is your country version of madhouse, friend fiddle and fury.
MJ:That is your country version of madhouse, friend okay, but you got four madhouses.
Chad:Just just saying I know, I know it's glorious and every day I I thank mr cromarty. I'm like I love the madhouse so much, so, no, do not madhouse a country workout I. I think I would definitely riot. You would take off work, though I would absolutely, again, I'm here. You did that for Fiddle and Fury. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, so I got sidetracked. Yes, one last quickfire question, very important yes, flow or boxing Flow, but it's debatable.
MJ:Boxing Flow but it's debatable.
Chad:I feel like you ride that line in the middle. You love both.
MJ:I really do. I love both. Boxing gets my heart rate up. It gets me going. I get a really good workout with it. Flow, though, is just it's a more enjoyable I don't want to call it even more enjoyable experience. It's a different type of joy experience. If I'm working out with other people, I love flow a lot more, because I can focus more on the conversation side and just kind of let the other stuff go Not mindlessly, but I can keep a good conversation up while doing that, as opposed to boxing, especially on higher intensities, where you need to stay focused.
Chad:You have to stay focused for sure, definitely Well, at the beginning of the year or at the end of last year, I proposed to the podcast group I wanted to hear everyone's top five favorite 2024 flow and boxing workouts and it was cool to look at yours because we have some similar what we thought were the top. For me personally, and I feel like I should say this my criteria to make it in the list was top-notch coaching music. But more important than both of those things was the choreography. Was it innovative? Did it feel comfortable? Did you get a killer workout in? But those three things combined for me is how I determined my list. How did you determine your list?
MJ:So my top five was based pretty much around one to two criteria. Okay, the top four, only one that really truly matters is did I have fun? Did I enjoy it? Don't want to keep coming back, don't want to do it again and again and again. The second one that kind of matters is do I remember it? Is it something like afterwards? It's like, oh my gosh, I just want to do that again. Or it's depending on the type of day I'm having. Is it just that gets me away from all the you know world troubles and things that go on around us? It's just that escape in there and just that just bliss of just ah, you know that type moment. So that kind of makes up my where my top five comes from.
Chad:Awesome. What do you want? To start with Flower box.
MJ:Actually, I want to start with the sidetracked, because I like throwing a swerve every now and then. So, first off, for those of you who don't know, indeed, um, we, I take a moment and just say, first off, a happy birthday for the for the love of the map podcast. Um, it officially turned one year old on January 29th, so I did.
MJ:And this, I believe, is the first recording since it's been, since it's now one year old. So for that I want to say happy birthday. Um, I would have you sing, but I'm not going to put you through that. I would sing, but I won't put the audience through that. So you know, we'll just let it go with a happy birthday for this particular moment, thank you. However, I can't also just can't quite jump ahead without a couple quick fire questions of my own, because the audience hasn't heard from you answering quick fire questions in quite some time, so I'm just throwing that out there.
MJ:I got to give it back some.
Chad:Because I'm the host, I host the questions. But okay, I'll play. I'll play Go ahead, okay, okay.
MJ:So first let's kind of a two-parter, so you get an email tomorrow. Chris Milk from Supernatural Amazing person says Marla, I want to give you the opportunity to make one quick hit in Supernatural. Any two songs, any workouts, cross the board boxing flow. Combine them together, two songs go.
Chad:Return to the Madhouse. The very last song, sudden Death by Megadeth. And then I'm going to jump on over to the Madhouse. Monster, second to last song, avenged Sevenfold, not Ready to Die, boom, give it to me. Happy birthday to me. I'll give it to you, absolutely.
MJ:I would totally actually agree with those two. If I was picking out from anything, I would agree. Now, swerve, pick two that are not in the Madhouse.
Chad:Oh Chad.
MJ:Quick fire.
Chad:Quick fire. Come on, chad. I can't do that one. I've never actually considered anything other than the Madhouse. I'm going to go totally left field. I'm going to go the high flow with Coach Doc. It's called Earn it and the fourth song is shoot. I'm having a total brain fart now. The name of it. I would have put it in my notes Shoot. Julie is sitting here listening right now, screaming the name of the song at me. She's like marla, how can you not not remember this song? Um, anyway, that song, that map is so good and it's. It's not that it's hard to get to, but it's not at the beginning of a workout, then I think I would take that that song will appear right here, by the way, somewhere.
MJ:Yes, it will be on the screen, for sure, if you're watching I was attempting to pull up my app.
Chad:Yes, and and and look, but you know whatever, um, let me think, shoot um chad right here, okay, um, no, I can get to astronaut in the ocean quickly, so you have to understand the way I think I'm not going to add anything that I can get to quickly by skipping a song or playing one song to get to it. I would never waste my opportunity for my dream quick hit. That way, I'm going to go for songs that are at the very end of a workout, that I possibly cannot get to, and I'm going to go to a medium flow hypnotic house debut which is a release.
Chad:It is a very recent release and this is actually one of Dave's workouts that I absolutely, absolutely love. And I'm going to go to the fourth song vanishing. It's hard to get to, but I would play that one song in that one map over and over again if I could get to it quickly. So I'm going to add that.
MJ:Okay, very nice.
Chad:Yes. Well, what about you, chad? What two would you put together? Out of random, devil Went Down to Georgia. Oh, you have notes. Okay, another troll for you. No, I do not. I do not have notesorgia oh, you have notes, okay. Another troll for you. No, I don't, I do not. I do not have notes.
MJ:I don't have notes on this, okay I just happen to have the opportunity to think about this while you were doing my um, um, um, all right so I, I had that.
MJ:a part of you know the little bit of cheating in there. Um, this is also called stalling. To think of the second song, um, no, um, I think the second one. This is gonna be a weird one because this is actually my top five flow list. It's going to transition into it. The song is called Back from the Dead, which is by it's Back from the Dead by Hellstorm, so there was actually an artist series on it, but it's not from the artist series. This is from a high flow from January of 2024. Game time Never stand down, and we'll get more to that here in just a little bit. I think when we get into the top five lists, that would probably be the second one. I just absolutely love this one. It's in that dark purple, dark black environment.
Chad:Yes, Is it Cristeria? Is the purple, dark one One of those?
MJ:It's the one that's in the Monster that has all the funky triangles coming through.
Chad:The one that I can't get 100% on the one that you can't get 100% on.
MJ:Yeah, that one.
Chad:Yeah, yeah, it's the easiest map in that whole workout and I've only gotten 100% on that song one time, and it's the triangles. I move too much. I'm like let's go here and here.
MJ:And it's like no, just face it a little bit. Of course you would pick that one, charl, but it's such an amazing environment it is. So it's an awesome environment and that song is just so perfect from it, from, you know, back from that song. I had not heard that song before supernatural, and it hits home, just fires me up so much. I use it now in warm-ups. I use it now when I go to cryotherapy. It's the song I listen to. I'm in the cryo chamber. Yeah, it's just one of those that just ah, it's awesome I'm um a cryo chamber.
MJ:I listen to mega death a lot yeah, I, I'll just send death fair amount inside of inside the cryo chamber. Yeah, so burn to the ground by nickelback. Yeah, that's, they know me in there because I have, I listen to apparently a very unique style of music that they don't usually get in the cryo I love that, I love that.
Chad:So why don't we start with your top five flow, since you just mentioned one of those workouts in there for your quick hit.
MJ:So I want to start with the never stand down game time, which came out in January of 19, 2024. So, side note, in my top five flow, my top five boxing, there's one workout that is highly, highly, highly there just for the music. It's not the choreo, it's not the targets necessarily. It's not necessarily a bad choreo by any stretch, it's just not. It's nothing. There's nothing about the choreo that takes away from it. But the music is just so hype and just does so much. And this one is that one. It's got the Bruce Springsteen Highway to Hell. It's got Burn to the Ground by Nickelback Enemies Shine Down Back from the Dead with Hellstorm and Then Won't Stand Down by Muse. It's just an ongoing, just a banger of a workout. So that one's in there. The other four are it's one medium with Y2K Baby you picked boss moves.
Chad:You picked Boss Moves.
MJ:I picked Boss Moves, you picked y'all, I picked Boss Moves this is massive.
Chad:You have no idea how much Chad struggled with Boss Moves when it initially came out. See, something you have to understand about Chadder's over here If the choreo doesn't tell him exactly how to move, he's not going. He doesn't get it. You can't ablip it.
Chad:No, you're not a dancer, it's no offense, don't claim to be, don't try to be exactly I've tried on occasion, just for entertainment value, but it's purely for entertainment value but man the boss moves, the y2k boss moves really tripped you up initially. You had to practice on that one I did.
MJ:I did Especially the last song Good grief, I agree, you're a jerk.
Chad:It's pretty cool, it's pretty cool. It made your list, though you went from mmm to.
MJ:I like it. It's very fun. It actually makes me feel like I'm dancing, even though, once again, I'm sure, if I record myself doing it, that I'm going to look like I'm, you know, stumbling, bumbling, tumbling and doing a whirling dervish of some nature. But I love that one. The second, well, third one now on the list is the Hip Hop you Don't Stop. That has the you Can't Touch this that just came out in November of 2024.
Chad:Yeah, thanksgiving week, so good. Yes, that Monday Same day, so so good.
MJ:Yeah.
Chad:Bordeaux combat to drop.
MJ:Yes, that was a big week. It was a big week, but yeah, just the, even the music inside that, but also the choreo. I mean, if you haven't done, you can't, it still gives you the feeling that you are and can. Yeah, just definitely recommend trying that. The other two one of them is very sad but I have to mention it because it did make the list Fusion Fiesta.
Chad:Why is it sad Chatters?
MJ:It lost a song. Yeah, it lost a song. Yeah, it lost a really good song A really fantastic song, really fantastic map yeah.
Chad:So, yes, sad music. Yes, yes, exactly.
MJ:But and then last and certainly not least, is Vidal and Fury. I mean, come on.
Chad:Yeah, that's your. I feel like that workout was made specifically for you. It is totally your jam that workout is absolutely.
MJ:I remember we had a conversation about this workout we'll take a little second here to talk about because yeah, it's, yeah, um. So fiddle and fury is a fun one. Marla and I have fun going back a long ways. Because now for you guys who don't know, marla is truly a closet country fan. She will not say it, she'll shake her head. No, right now Lies. She will deny it on this podcast. She'll try to sit here and say it. She is a country music fan. She loves hoedowns. As a matter of fact, just for prepping for this, she and I got together, did a few of these workouts together and one of those was Fit On Fury, and she's singing along at the top of her lungs, all happy, giddy. Every single word in that workout, just all happy.
Chad:Oh yes, it's a part of my process, man. No matter what kind of music, it is like when I'm flowing, I'm flowing, I'm singing, I'm making target sound effect noises. I'm doing all the things and chatting.
MJ:So don't. But I'm just saying, if you only did the workout once, you wouldn't know the words, unless you're really a country music fan. So I'm just throwing that out there, just dropping that little tidbit. So once again, oh man.
MJ:The yes, fiddle Fury. So she and I have a history anyway, going back where you know, we have our love-hate with country music discussions and hoedowns. And you know, if you look at the Supernatural Library, especially before Fiddle Fury and we go back to pre-July of 2024, it was a little homely as far as the number of workouts available. Homely as far as the number of workouts available, I mean, I think at one point in time there were as many country music flow songs, at least in high and medium, as there were inside of madhouses, and that's the entire library wide. There's a lot of repeats in them, there's a lot of whatever. So one of the discussions we've had was that if there was ever a pros only hoedown or country music workout that came out, I would take the day off work to do said workout. Now, obviously, I don't know. You know when workouts are dropping, anything like that. So the day this came out, um, this was back when we dropped workouts daily and it dropped, yeah, and I had to go into work cause of a meeting ahead in the morning, but I left. I took a half day off, left at noon for this workout, came home, met you online? You sure did, and we did fiddle and fury day one and it was absolutely. I had to smile ear to ear, was grinning the entire time. I was bonking stuff left and right. First real experience on knee strikes, which I'm sure we'll get some more into, but it was so much fun. If you have not done this workout, go do it Also.
MJ:This month as well I'm in. February is a fiddle and fury February month. Um, if you haven't been following along in the supernatural community, um, shout out to Jessa. She's been kind of um heading this um campaign and actually got fiddle and fury trending in the supernatural workout list because of the community stepping up and doing it.
MJ:The goal is to do 22 times to do Fiddle Fury in the month of February. But if you haven't done it before, I encourage you. If you hear this podcast or see it, jump in, do it once. Just try it this month, give it a shot. If you're not on pros only, don't worry about it, just go and try it. It's not for power assists, to Just experience it.
MJ:Yes, you have amazing music, like Marla will attest to, because it's country. You had amazing choreography. You got amazing knee strikes. You'll donk a hundred targets easily the first time you do it. You might donk 200 targets, it doesn't matter guys. It's all about just fun and just getting in there and experiencing it. It's an absolute puzzle and it will draw you and if you're on mediums and you jump into it, see how you do and then just keep coming back and you can watch as you improve over time and just get better?
Chad:Yeah, for sure. I will admit that. This is you look at you here like what, what, what? All eyes on me. Press record Make sure this is saved forever.
MJ:I will admit this is my favorite hoedown in the library. Now, when we edit this, just make sure to cut out the word hoedown.
Chad:No, no, no. No, I'm not saying it's my favorite workout. The choreography is incredible. I mean, benny and Justin worked on this workout together. You know they were a good pair.
MJ:They really were.
Chad:They really gave us, especially the knee strikes. Man, the knee strikes are a whole other, they're incredible.
MJ:This to me was a revolution of knee strikes. It really was You've talked about before in previous episodes, which, if you haven't watched, go back and check out.
Chad:You know previous episodes you've talked about going from an Iron Age, to a stone age, to a bronze age and a neapolitan age, and I'm getting all the ages mixed, that's okay.
MJ:So you know the, yeah, the way choreography evolved, for sure, yes, but um, this one to me really, really really took knee strikes from being a. Yeah, they were. I don't call it a gimmick, it's probably not the word, but it was a introductory educational learning phase to them. Yeah, and then there were a couple workouts where they tried to get them in there pretty good. You know, there was a classical music, one with Beethoven. It was about 40 minutes long and a medium that had a lot of knee strikes in it. But I think a lot of folks don't really know how to handle knee strikes Right, especially when the Beethoven came out. It was just, it was frustrating because you just donked everything and for what felt like no reason, like your knee would go through it, and you still donked it.
MJ:And, don't be wrong, we need to fit on Fury. If you're not using these strikes, you will donk everything and that's fine. But this was the one I think that just really took knee striking to the next level and just really, really, really kind of I don't call it mainstream, but kind of just brought it into. Where you had this workout, you had the 4th of July workout that all came out right around the same time. That had this knee strike marching inside of it and it's just constantly been evolving, it seems heavily ever since. And even to where this week there was a Y2K baby that came out, that was just absolute fire, which I did this morning for the first time.
Chad:Those knee strikes in the lunges, your core will be lit. Yes, I will say, if you go play Fiddle and Fury, that would be great training for this medium with the knee strikes in it, because that new Y2K has so much movement with the triangles and then you've got the knee strikes. But, man, man, I agree with you. I think Fiddle Fury changed the game for knee strikes, the evolution of where we are in mapping and how knee strikes are placed. They're not so much an afterthought like here. Let add a knee strike here because it's a knee strike workout. It's more in line with the music and the movements and man also. Fun fact, y'all, chad, I believe, at least according to the community.
Chad:I'm sure there's lots of people who aren't a part of the community who don't shout out their accomplishments, but chatters was the first to get a hundred percent accuracy on fiddle and fury. Again, this is his workout. Y'all, this is literally Chad's workout. He's a you know, it's his thing, um, and he made a really insightful and educational video for everyone on knee strikes and how to hit them correctly. I think that video is invaluable. I will definitely link it in the show notes, post it in our group. People need to check it out If you struggle with knee strikes. We have friends who turn knee strikes off because it frustrates them so much.
MJ:This video listening to Chad.
MJ:Yeah there were lots of people. I had these strikes off for eight months I think. After they came out I tried them in flow, I tried in boxing, just didn't hate it because it didn't make. It didn't make sense to me. It's like I put my knee through something but it doesn't register, and so I was like, okay, forget it, just shut them off, and then I would turn them on. For if there was some special workout that came out that had any, it was okay. Hey, you really need to try this one Knee strikes. Someone tell me I'd turn them on, try it and then back off again. But this was the first one that I turned the knee strikes on, for I fortunately recorded the second time. I did it, which was just for fun, to get it out to the community, because it was just such a great experience.
Chad:I did it twice on the first day?
MJ:weren't you wearing jeans, a button up? Did you have cowboy? I had. I think I had boots on. I don't think it was cowboy boots at the time, but it was.
Chad:Yeah, I think I had for some reason, when I think back in my memory, I think you had black socks on.
MJ:I may have. I either have black socks or some kind of boots. I may have done it in Timberlands. I'm not positive. I may have had Timbs on for it. I've done it before. I used to use Timbs for makeshift boots, cowboy boots, when I didn't have them because they were boot versions of Timbs. So it's't remember if it was for the video or not, but yeah, it was a very it was.
MJ:And, once again, it was not about accuracy at all. I think, yeah, I got. I think I had 90% accuracy, which, for those of you who don't know me, I focus on accuracy. Don't care about power, don't care about speed, but for me, at 90, accuracy is a stupidly low, and that's not a whatever. It's just where I've got myself to over the years. You know it's. I've grown from whatever all the way through the ages and whatever.
MJ:But, um, yeah, it was a 98% accuracy, which is, um, unheard of, unheard of. Yeah, but it was a smile the entire time. But what came back, though, was it was so great to have recorded that at 98% because it made it. When I did it again 50 workouts later, for the 52nd, 55th, whatever, it was time, and recorded it again for the knee strike video I had both to compare to of how not to do things versus overdoing it so many times, of repetition, learning how to do things that it made for a great side-by-side in the video to show the before and the after and how certain movements would actually create a donk on a knee strike, whereas others would actually be clean and clear and create a good, friendly non-donk. Yeah, so that's one knee strike.
Chad:I love that. I love that you have that comparison and that you're helping others figure out the complicated knee strikes. I mean you can take anyone can take what you share in this video and apply it to any intensity of knee strikes. It doesn't have to just be fiddle and fury, but if your plan is to get a hundred percent on fiddle and fury, you need to watch Chad's video, because it is incredibly insightful, very helpful. That's a great list, dude. That's a great list of flow. Thank you, and I have to give one extra six I helpful.
MJ:That's a great list, dude, that's a great list of flow, thank you, and I have to give one extra six. I'm going to give the sixth one a shout out, because I have one that I had to cut and you'll like this one. Oh do.
Chad:I Because, let me say, I think I have two of your flow workouts on my list, so hey, this one's a quick hit, okay.
MJ:That occurred A quick hit. This was this is a quick hit it was over St Patrick's Day.
Chad:It's a high with.
MJ:Rainier, it is gold, it is, it is just absolute gold. You will feel like you're river dancing. Yeah, I don't have it down in front of me, I'm just doing this kind of off the cuff, but yeah, don't feel like you're just absolutely dancing. Irish jig all sorts of whatever whiskey in the jars, one of them and um seven not seven deadly sins it's a metallica song. Yeah, it's a metallica song.
Chad:Um, yeah it just quick hits for near saint patrick state has knee strikes.
MJ:It has a lot of side to side triangles. It triangles. It has just movement dancing. Once again, it's one that makes you feel like you're dancing even if you can't dance. It has that perk to it which kind of seems to be a little bit of a running theme through. Fiddle Fury has you kind of two-stepping and doing a lot of motion movement through while doing knee strikes. Hip Hop, you Don't Stop, does Typewriter and stuff of that nature. Fusion Fiesta, does you know it? Has you moving all over the place. Y2k baby. Obviously has you doing a lot of dance stuff inside of it. That kind of it seems to be more of the funnish side of the list for this year, so you know it's.
Chad:that's my flow side. So funny to me, because the workouts that you and I purposefully banter about, so to speak that is, I purposefully banter about, so to speak that is not the style. So I feel like you just play me to get me going, to get me to go Chad. But no, you genuinely like another style of flow which is more like aggressive and straightforward and less fun. So I find your list interesting.
MJ:Well, and I think the reason for that is because it's a 2024 list. I think the further back you go, I think the more of those workouts you get, because the more of that style of workout was done Now you get way more of the wider targets multi-portal, three-portal, five-portal, even magic that comes out from all sides.
Chad:Wider markings more flowy, a lot more tailsie and yeah, instead of right in front of you style hits one portal style um. You're having multi, so yeah, I get that so you have a lot more of that.
MJ:So you know, as we kick it back, then you get a little bit more of that uh style in there, which I'm sure we'll get to at some point in time so let's talk about your boxing list. What about your other flows?
Chad:My other flows. Oh, you want to say Okay? Well, look, I had Fusion Fiesta on mine, so we're the same, perfect, great Rap Attack, battle to the Beat. Okay, same, in line with you, dancy, fun, innovative in the way the triangles have you move. That workout goes by so fast. I should not admit this, but the day that it came out I played it seven times. I played it seven times on the day it came out.
MJ:I was obsessed.
Chad:I was obsessed. I loved it. I don't think I went back to work after it got in the headset.
MJ:Now is that the most you've done a workout on day one. I think it is Over Mad Houses.
Chad:Well, yeah, because I couldn't play Mad Houses back to that day. I think the most I've ever played a Mad House was return and I played it three times a day. It came out, um, but I mean, madhouses are hardcore dude. Um, yeah, it's the most I've ever played a workout. Yeah, so it's on my list. I love it. Um, doc and Justin, the choreographer, have side by side of this. Doc has his own side by sides. It's just a fantastic workout y'all. It is so fun with the movements and you're dancing, so same theme as yours. Um, oh, yes, the drop. Sunrise base meditation, mr Dave, again, he, that's his workout. That one is just super sentimental to me because the original medium base meditation was one of my most played workouts when I first started. I loved it. I loved it. I still love it. I played it the other day. So when they sort of revived the series this year with the high and the medium, um, the medium is my jam. It's perfection to me. I love every second of it. So it belonged on my list.
MJ:Is that the one that had the community side by side?
Chad:Yes, it did. It did have a community side by side for Dave's episode when he came on here and we all got together and did that, which made my heart very happy. That was the one we did. Yes, very happy. I'm going to stick with mediums and go girl power magic in the air, which we did. Another community side-by-side for the big giant one we do every year, um, which, if you guys don't know, we post about it towards the end of the year and try and get it out the first week of January. We beat a record. I could not have done that alone. Dear friend. Sherry was posting left and right, recruiting. That's usually one of the things I do. I could not. I was just not able to put myself in that space to get over 125 people. How many did we end up with? I can't even remember at this moment, but I'll put it on the screen.
MJ:It was it was.
Chad:We had to beat 125 and I know we went way over it. Um, I think we at one point we had like 35 videos and I told Julia we're not beating any records this year. I just can't. I just sorry. And Sherry walked right in and. Thank you, sherry, if you're listening, appreciate you.
MJ:Absolutely.
Chad:Yeah, we had a big, huge side by side for that one. This workout for me is all the things I love about flow, all the multi lane work, the huge, big stretches, the movements. It is so hard for me to stay in my play space on the very first song Houdini, like I'm. I bang my hand on on the, the closet door like I am everywhere. I just absolutely love this one and I think it sort of set the tone for mediums for this year as we're moving forward. If you think about the new Y2K that just came out this week with Doc, some of those movements are in this one and some similar are in this one. In some similar um, there's a medium called motivation in motion and there's that kind of movement in those songs. It's an eminem song. Oh man, it's so good anyway, so that that would be that. Oh, and I put metallica, the hidden pros, okay, I mean, you can't Look and this.
Chad:I don't like Metallica y'all. It's in there with country music for me.
MJ:Oh, you love it Going to concert.
Chad:I'm not a big Metallica fan, but the choreo gets me in here and the coaching gets me on this and 72 Seasons, man, all the joy balls in 72 seasons, and anytime I play it and if you work out with me, you'll hear me go summer, fall, winter, spring, like I call it out every time we hit one of the joy balls and that part comes out. I thought that was such a cheeky little Easter egg moment that the choreographer put in there because it's perfect and it starts with spring and ends with winter. Yeah, just those little moments. And the last song, the map. On the last song there's like five portals open and things crisscrossing and, oh man, so good. So that was my flow list crisscrossing and, oh man, so good.
MJ:So that was my flow list. I could tell you that I metallica definitely made the final like cut line or whatever I was limiting down on, because I definitely had that and like when I was. You know, when you start this it's like I'm up with here's 20, that okay you have to check off and down to 10, then it's like down to eight and it's like, okay, now I got to really start cutting some children out to get it down to five to six. Yeah, it's hard.
Chad:It's very hard. This was very hard. I was very lucky, but not lucky, that there was no madhouse in 2024.
MJ:Yes.
Chad:Because one of my workouts on my list would have had to to go if there was a madhouse on there. Obviously yes. So tell me about your boxing. I did not make a boxing for me because I don't play every boxing like I play every flow just because of my neck and I pick and choose the boxings that I'm going to play and I thought that was unfair to make a top five list when I didn't really play all the workouts available to me to make a top five list.
MJ:You know what I mean, yeah, but I say I follow the rules. So someone said make a top five list. So I made a top five list, even though 2024 was probably one of my least boxing years, due to injuries and things like that.
Chad:I was going through.
MJ:So by the end of 2023, I had done every high-intensity boxing workout. I had a librarian for the high-intensity boxings. Only that section. I'm not trying for all the other stuff. You can keep that stuff. I don't do a lot of new workouts. For all the other stuff, you can keep that stuff. I don't do a lot of new workouts, but I did do several inside of 2024, just not quite like a full library of ones. I definitely had chunks that I missed. I haven't gone back and made up for yet, but these did make the cut because these are buy-and-farm ones that, honestly, even had I played the others, you could maybe make an argument on one or two, but there's a handful or three of them that just would have absolutely been there.
MJ:So we'll start with the duo that actually we'll start with. I'll start with the semi-star of the five. Flow the music only music, priority one. Ok, so there is a game time. That is you are a champion. Came out October 14th. Not my normal music that most people probably associate me with, but it's um river with bishop briggs yes, that song goes hard man titanium with uh david guetta yeah, and see, isn't it see that sings I?
MJ:I could be totally wrong, sorry look what we've become with grace potter, which is one of my personal boxing favorites, because it's just a reminder of you know, no matter where you start your journey at, you can, at that one moment in time, take that one song and just reflect it from the beginning of wherever you're at. And it's you started here, you made it to here, and then you know how much further you have to go still, but look how far you've come. No matter what anyone said, no matter what any what you told yourself and what you've been fighting yourself on, that song always hits home to me. Any workout it's in. And then finally, it's Champion with Olive Boy. That is a good playlist. That was my. It's the once again, dewana coaches it. It's good choreography.
MJ:It's probably not going to set the world ablaze with choreography, but it's just a that playlist is just yeah, it's a solid hype, just if I need to come in and whatever it's going to jump in on Now, unlike my flows, every one of these is high intensity or pros, interesting and boxing. I enjoy just going for it. So that's the thing. So Working the White, the food chain is the super duper monster. That was the offense defense that came out towards the end of the year. I loved that one. It was A lot of people, didn't? A lot of people liked it, but a lot of people liked one half of it. They loved the offensive side or the defensive side, didn't?
MJ:necessarily love both sides, from what I saw in the community.
Chad:Got it.
MJ:I thoroughly enjoyed both sides of it. It had a few new moves inside of it. There was one it was a one. It was basically a double punch slash push move. That was new to it. There was a few others in there that were just really new. Really cool that it's. Once again, it's a very long workout it's I think it's either 52 or 62 minutes, yeah it's like an hour long workout.
Chad:Yeah, it's an hour long workout. But I mean, boxers have been asking for this long of a super-duper monster. So it makes sense and it's cool that it's high.
MJ:Yeah, and it's a duel that goes back and forth. So you know, you have more songs focused on defense and a lot of slips and dodges and bobs, weaves and stuff, and you have others that are focused heavily on the offensive side that just are punch-punch heavy. So still, even though it's a super monster. So there's a lot of good variety in the middle to make it not feel like it's just any repetitive to it, but it was just a really good overall workout. Now, these last three, if you guys know me, you'll probably be able to guess rather easily.
Chad:These are the three I would add on mine.
MJ:Yes, first Slipknot artist series Just really fun, a lot of good. I remember this came out just really fun, a lot of good. Um, I remember this came out uh, euclid was doing an event for. Um, supernatural goes, supernatural again, basically a uh, that was a lot of fun. And I remember having to live stream. This was one of the boxing ones. I had to create a live stream to get a few extra play throughs of certain workouts in. But the week this came out, that was so much fun. If you guys haven't done this one yet, jump in, try it. It is. It is a pros. It is a hidden pros only. It's like the Metallica flow, but it is a lot of fun. The choreography is great in there. Whether you like the music, don't like the music, it's still okay, just get it. There's, I think, one part where you get like 13 jabs in a row per hour or something.
Chad:Yes, the very last song. Yeah, the last song, Very last song. You're already dead and then they come at you with that.
MJ:It brings it constant, nonstop, but it's just a great workout, yeah, and it's also one that's before I forget is in there, which is at least not sitting at the end of a madhouse it drives me insane. So I is in there, which is at least not sitting at the end of a madhouse it drives me insane. So I didn't say we'll take some good retribution on that in the Slipknot Artist series. So that brought some personal joy to me as well, which is one of the reasons why it makes my top five.
Chad:Cool.
MJ:And the last two I'm kind of going to do as a combo. It's Portal Combat 1 and 2. Yes, yes, so we'll keep going with the theory. If you guys haven't done these yet, um, start with portal combat one, jump in, do it. Um, don't worry about accuracy, don't worry about speed, don't worry about any of those numbers. It's a fun puzzle. It's 4 250 ish targets of just pure bliss. Um, it's a boxing workout. That's 23 minutes. Don't get you a thousand points, it's great.
Chad:You work for every single one of those points.
MJ:Absolutely. But it is so gamey in the sense of it makes you feel like you're in a video game, makes you feel like you're, you know everything about it the background themes, the music selections, the way the choreography comes, the joy balls, everything about it just gives that feel of you know just the flowing from one stage to the next stage. And you know, maybe you're in like a you know, dare I say, a certain fighting game that might sound similar to more to portal combat, that, um, you know you maybe have a stage that looks like a sub zero type stage. You maybe have a stage that you know it looks, it's, you know, it's just a very funsy, great workout that, if you want to get in there and just really unleash yourself, it's just a blast to do A hundred percent.
Chad:And speaking of a hundred percent, weren't you one of the first people to get a hundred percent on this workout?
MJ:I believe I was the second. I'm pretty sure at least one of the person in the community I know got a hundred percent on it before I did Allison my twin Shoutouts Shoutout.
Chad:She was the first.
MJ:She was, and then it went for a fairly long stretch with no one else getting 100%, because it kind of it was one of those where it was like people would jump in and do it but not really heavily work on it, because it requires a little bit of stamina, it requires a little bit of focus and you a lot of honestly, most of its mental focus, you have to really have be mentally engaged on this one um.
MJ:But amazing workout, um, you know, and jumping and doing it and to me, boxing's a lot easier to get 100 on. The flow is, um, just the nature of it. We'll get into that at a later time on a fun little discussion. But portal, you know. Portal combat, though, is absolutely amazing and there is a club the way. So if you do get 100% in Portal Combat 1 or Portal Combat 2, 100% accuracy there is a Flawless Victory Club that you can become a member of, which we got a couple new recruits in, but hopefully we have some other people who are on this podcast as I'm speaking that will be joining that club shortly.
Chad:Yes, who will be motivated? There's a club. Y'all Get in the club. I'm not in this club, and he sure does like to remind me I'm not in this club, okay.
MJ:I'm just saying it's, it's a club, it just it's a little bit of work to get in there. You just got to get one good run in and be good 's it's not a big deal, it's no. But yes um, only because I know someone on here really loves their clubs and loves to be a member and hates to think that there might be posts and messages and all sorts of discussion on the choreography going on that they might not be a part of.
MJ:That would drive them insane so yeah, but I'm sure you're not missing anything on that.
Chad:So leaves podcast to go play portal combat.
MJ:Bye, no no, but it, it. It's just a great workout in this, you know, to have both that and the sequel to come out within, you know, six months of each other in portal combat to just such a really a great time just for box. I mean, really that six month window there at the end of the year was just so amazing. Six time just for box. I mean really that six month window there at the end of the year was just so amazing. Six, seven months for boxing. If you're a boxing fan and supernatural, you get portal combat, one portal combat to the slipknot artist series, that super monster. Um, I mean hecky, my game time came out in that same time frame. It's just wow. All of that was in that last six months, june 13th to the end of the year wow was yeah, it was cool.
MJ:I mean that's just the top five selection. I mean there's others in there that were also really darn good yeah.
Chad:It's hard to make a top five list, man.
MJ:Yeah, it's been a spoilage of riches going on inside of the for the high boxing community that a lot of people may be sleeping on a couple of these. Don't sleep on them. Jump in there. Do that. A lot of people may be sleeping on a couple of weeks. Don't sleep on them. Jump in there. Do them, enjoy them. There's some new great slip jab punches a new one inside of Portal Combat that was introduced. By the way, if you're doing some of these Fiddler and Fury's Portal Combats, watch the warm-up Please please, please, don't skip the warm-up.
MJ:Don't skip the warm-up. A lot of stuff gone through. Um portal combat also has my favorite coaching line out of any coach line in the entire supernatural library. It's not super motivational but it's just the absolute most fun, most fitting for this workout, out of any line in the library. I agree, it's. It's coach Mindy. Second song Um, you go through the first basically half of it. You're facing backwards and it basically starts wave two at you and you hear coach Mindy and they're going for the. Some slip bars are coming and it's just slip, slip, slip, slip. It is just her and her little cutest, little adorable voice while you're sitting here. This just pros only going crazy. It's. It's the best thing ever. Just like three times it's.
Chad:It's so awesome and it's so gamey, the song is just video game. And then the environment, that environment they use, was only ever featured in an april fool's workout yes so to see it reappear again is really rad, and that song, it was absolute perfection, I agree.
Chad:Just the coaching, the environment, everything um about that was really cool, yeah, so awesome yeah, and, fun fact, portal Combat 2 was super exciting the day it came out because I was visiting Julia for Thanksgiving. So we woke up Monday morning I did what I always do check the app to see what workouts came out. I hear chickens and roosters, you know, because Julie's got all the things and I'm like looking and I see Portal Combat 2 and I wanted to scream. And I hear Julie in the kitchen. I'm like Julia, so we got to play that together, which is so awesome.
Chad:So this workout is so special to the both of us, as I know it is very special to you as well.
MJ:Yes, absolutely yeah, that was a great day special to the both of us, as I know it is very special to you as well. Yes, absolutely yeah, that was a great day. I remember coming home. Is that? Yeah, just so much fun in there. Um, because I that one, I didn't take off workforce, I came home later than most, but I was able to jump in and still get the joy in and um, yeah, it was an absolutely great workout and I think I did it the first like three or four days. It came out um. Fun fact, it did have a rogue target in there for the first week.
Chad:It sure did, don't tell it's like he was trying to get 100 real quick. As soon as it came out, he's like excuse me, support please. There's a rogue target and he tells them the time and gets them videos. Like fix it so I can get 100. Look at his face. It was fixed.
MJ:It was fixed. I got my 100 finally. Yes, yes, yes, I got the 100 before the Rogue and I got the 100 after the Rogue, so all's good in the world. It's okay, it's good. But yes, that was a yes.
Chad:So, before I move on to something I really want to chat about, is there anything about your top five list you would like to say, or are we good there?
MJ:I think we're kind of good on the top five lists for 2024. I'm sure some other time we'll mention some previous top fives and maybe some which you have a time to plan a little bit more ahead on. So I don't just spontaneously say, hey, Marla, what was your top five of 2023? And go.
Chad:No, it's not possible. Give me time. What's so funny is Chad, is we call him the chaos master, and it's a lot of the reasons why he gets yelled, Chad, or he gets the troll gif, Because you know, he just brings that spontaneous fun to all the things right.
MJ:Also by the FYI Banana right now is yelling at you like crazy. It's chaos coordinator, and he's not chaos coordinator. It is not chaos coordinated.
Chad:Marla. Marla, I have my own name. Okay, you can correct me all you want, okay, crystal. But the funny thing is I'm the total opposite. I need a plan, I need to be prepared, I need to do the research. So for Chad to come in here on the podcast and I knew he was going to throw me curveballs I've been prepared for it. I've been trying to mentally prepare myself for it.
MJ:You know there's still one more coming, Don't worry.
Chad:No, and definitely do not ask me my top 2023 workouts, because there's no way I'm answering that.
MJ:What do you call your name? Return of the Madhouse. Madhouse Monster. There's two of them already done. I mean that's a given.
Chad:Yes, yes, we know, oh man, spoiler alert in case no one knows. Yeah, I might have a problem. I do love me some madhouses. And before we talk about madhouses cause I do want to mention something about madhouses I want to go back. I want to circle back to when I said that you have a very specific style. You appreciate, in flow, that I do not. I don't like this style. Yes, and I think when we talk about it, we kind of coined it as like a rage style in the sense A rage power style.
Chad:Yeah a power rage where the movements are very straightforward. They're sort of this word is not accurate but sort of basic in the sense that up down, doubles, lots of core work, lots of yeah, it's, it's, you're not extending really far out.
MJ:It's once where you extend, but it's from the shoulder, the shoulder, the core, lots of yeah, you're not extending really far out. It's once where you extend, but it's from the shoulder, the shoulder, the core, the legs, but it's not a lot of elbow-y or wrist-y. There's not a lot of that type of. It's all just heavy shoulder, just pure strength, power, where you can just almost that, just that primordial, just rage straight through and just giving it everything you got into it and you don't have to worry about being in position for the next one coming around and swinging back and having to go out wide with some of the stances. It's much less ballet and much more sledgehammer.
Chad:Sledgehammer. So true, that is so true. And you like these styles of workouts, especially when you've had a really hard day at work and you need to come home and let it out, it is my just.
MJ:If I need to just unwind, if I need to just let loose, which I used to do on almost on every workout, every workout I did, I wouldn't add it 100 percent, that was my thing, that's my job, that's my just the way I got me maximize my time and just went 100% on everything and went as hard as I could on everything.
Chad:But I want to clarify though that I think most of us give 100%, but the style in which you were giving 100% was all shoulder Swinging for the fences very fast.
MJ:Yes, it was the baseball style. If you have the bat in two hands and you're swinging it, it's not going for a single, it's going for a home run, derby, every single swing of every single target that comes at you, no matter the angle, no matter the workout. It didn't matter if it was a madhouse, it didn't matter if it was a sailinghouse.
Chad:It didn't matter if it was a low sailing low, it didn't matter.
MJ:You go as hard as you can and swing as hard as you can on every single target, maximum impact, maximum force, full body into everything that you can get into it. And that was the style that I used for two, almost two and a half years give or take. Um, injuries kind of forced me to pull back some on that style to in order to be able to continue really in the I was just constantly getting well for a long time without it. Then we get one and wouldn't fully let it get all the way back and then just tweak something else. So it's like I finally had to come back and pull back the power on things some and get more into a little bit more of a flowy.
MJ:But there are those days yes um, where you just want to break stuff, where you just want to just go crazy, where you just want to go all out and what is your go-to flow workout for that dude? So there's only one perfect workout in the library for this? Um, it is, it is perfect, and it is called Grind the Axe. It is, I'm sure, marla's putting up on screen right now as we're talking about this. You'll see this workout. It came out in 2023, if memory serves correctly.
Chad:Yes.
MJ:It would be on my top five of 2023, along with the Mad Houses. But just for comparison's sake, you know, that way it can drive Marla absolutely insane. But just for comparison's sake, that way it can drive Marla absolutely insane. But this is a workout that, if you go into it wanting a fun flow, wanting something that's more of a madhouse monster or a return to the madhouse, it's not there.
Chad:This is not what this is about. Oh, I thought you were going somewhere else and I was about to literally have an aneurysm. I was like what? No, no, no, no, no, okay, sorry, no, no, no, no, no, okay, sorry, no, no, no, no, no, go ahead.
MJ:No, no. So this is the workout that you go to when you just want to break everything in your room. You know if you need to just go and knock a hole in the wall, if you need to go and like, just you know if you take a batting cage around to go play home, run derby and just whatever it's the workout you go to, it's called Grind the Axe, dewana coaches it and there's so many things about this workout to make it the absolute perfect rage workout in Supernatural. We'll start. I mean, the music is all about, you know, getting you pumped up, getting you hyped up and getting you just on that. You know that, just that bouncing around Sorry, I just ready to go and take on the world, you know, both from an external standpoint of things but from an internal standpoint of things or songs in there. That will, you know, just you know, hit you deep but also just let you encourage you to let it all loose and let it all out.
MJ:The coaching to this is absolutely with Dewana, so I do agree about coaching for sure. Um, she begs you in this to just unleash it, just to get everything out of your system and just unwind and just uncork and uncoil everything inside of this and there's a choreography which, once again, if you're looking for flowy tails and things like that, you're not going to find it here. But if you just want to get in, have have those. I'll call it sharp angles, but on the ones where you can just out and out, just swing everything through.
MJ:Not worry about having to get a curve around in a position Just you know if you're going down, the next one's bringing you straight back up where you can bring your entire legs, your core, shoulders, everything into it to go all out on it, everything out on every swing. This workout just absolutely brings it. First song just runs the heart rate through the roof. Second song I should take it down just a little bit to kind of just recover a little. Third song starts it down and slowly does a great job, just bringing it back up without you realizing it. By the time you're done with the third song, you're ready just to go off on something. And then the fourth song, which is my Curse, just, absolutely just. Dewan, at the beginning of it, just says this is it. You come here for this. Let it all loose, let it all out, just tear it all up. And it just delivers such a banger inside that workout. And there's a fifth song as well that just continues the whole thing.
MJ:But, it is such a good rage, inducing Such a good rage and juice. But if you go into it without being in a rage mindset, you will think it is just a meh, blah, eh workout and come in here and say the choreography in there is just so not for me. And it's meh, why were you thinking? And leave these notes? And it's just this bleh, bleh, bleh. But not that anyone else on this podcast right now is experiencing those in the past. But Marla, what did you think of? Grind the Axe?
Chad:So, first of all, I'm not a fan of this workout. I'm not a fan of that style of choreography. However, I will admit that in preparation for this podcast, chad and I played it again and I was trying to get in his head. I was asking him questions about what it was about the movements that he just really loved, and it gave me a new appreciation and understanding of why the style of choreography he appreciates. Now I want to tell you from the get-go he tried to make me rage by telling me. From the get-go he tried to make me rage by telling me Marla, did you know that they took Sudden Death out of the library? From the Matt Return, and I'm like what I mean he was saying all sorts of things had fun, because it wasn't fun for me.
MJ:I may have also reminded her, you know that a hoedown beat returned to the madhouse in one of the bracket sets that also you might notice a little bit of, it was the madhouse.
Chad:It was the madhouse monster. It was. It was the madhouse monster that you had, that one, against which you, the community, all involved. There's not enough hoedowns, we need better representation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Everyone do this. He made a whole bunch of videos and like, advocated it and everyone decided, okay, yeah, let's do that. And then knocked the monster, the monster out of a bracket, but anyway, okay, I digress um you see how easy it is to get the rage up for this workout.
MJ:This is the goal, by the way.
Chad:You need to go in there with this mindset and this is what gets him chad and gets him the troll gift, because this is what he does so well and brilliantly. And I do appreciate that about him because it allows me to be passionate about the way I feel on things, you know. But anyway. So this workout, I like the very last song. It's a Rob Zombie song. That's the only one. All the mapping, that's the only one that I appreciate and it won't surprise anyone, why? Why it has multi-lane work, it has bigger movements, it's got you moving with the triangles more. It's not all front it. All of these songs basically start in one portal. And and what do I love? I love multi-lanes, I love portal work. I do not leave me in front-facing three portal front-facing in a high or a pros. Don't, don't do it y'all, it's illegal, come on, anyway. So my—.
MJ:That gives me a good idea Next time we do this. I got to sit here and make a suggestion to you know that they broke the madhouse and made it three, front facing portal only.
Chad:No, Chad, there was a glitch in the software.
MJ:It just happened. I don't get it. That was for your account.
Chad:The worst day, only on my account. The worst day of my life. I would never play it again Like I can't, I can't and it's one of the main reasons I don't personally play Supernatural together, because it is front-facing three portal and for me that takes all the joy out of the workout and I can't not focus on it. I get hyper fixated.
MJ:And.
Chad:I'm like we're not turning. Why are we not turning? I want to spin, hyperfixated, and I'm like we're not turning. Why are we not turning? I want to spin. But anyway, the song on Grinding the Axe that Chad and I love to bicker back and forth and have very great discussions about is called my Curse, and the first time I ever played it was actually in Grinding the Axe. And this song has so much motion, but it's also very hardcore. It's also very ragey. I get the original choreography.
MJ:Now, you were a fan of the song before the workout. Correct, I was.
Chad:So this is a song that I know, that I've listened to, it's been on a playlist, so I have a lot of feelings because it was a song I was looking forward to playing and then, when I got there, I was just not as happy as I wanted to be with the choreography, but it appears as the second song in the Madhouse Monster and man. The emotion, everything is captured. It is so good, so so good. Now I have compared the gameplay and you can see some similarities. You can see that the original map that was in my uh, grinding the axe was taken but then turned on its head. There's a little bit of the base there A little bit, but then they but it's wider, it's spread out more.
Chad:It's multi-portal.
MJ:It's opened up, so you don't get that rage. You get the emotion, but you don't get the straight shoulder rage. It's more of a release, but in a more ballet orchestrated structure. It's more of a surgeon's scalpel into the releasing of just more of a yoga. I disagree.
Chad:I disagree, because there are parts when the drum section come in and you've got crazy, insane drum rolls. How is that ballet-esque, how is that chill. You get the Coach Mark jellyfish style going on and not the straight up and down in front of you, rage, so you want, and uh, you, yeah, this makes so much sense to me. Chad's favorite madhouse is. Welcome to the Madhouse which I played this morning. To get in your brain a little bit it's like Venom, where they're straight in front of you, up and down, drum rolls.
MJ:Yes.
Chad:And not spread out a little bit. Okay, I get that, I get that. That makes sense to me, man. Hmm, I don't know man, the way the song.
MJ:We could have an hour-long discussion on Welcome. Now, you know that, I know that.
Chad:I know, and it's actually kind of why I haven't brought it up yet, because I do have a plan for the Mad Houses to chat about. We could have multiple episodes about it. But I understand that we are probably a small majority of people who are as obsessed with the penthouses as we are. I get it. But the way my curse opens up in the prose only version, it's like oh, it's just so beautiful and you're right, it's not that ragey just straight into triangles in the high.
MJ:And to me it's actually an emotional like physically, it's a reigning you back in and emotionally bringing you back in from the sick, the dying and the dead, which the sick, the dying and the dead to me is kind of a follow-off, almost like a second half of sudden death in a lot of ways.
Chad:Oh really, I'm telling you that I am like oh really, did you come up with this idea on your own? Tad, no, I'm just playing with you. It is it 100?
MJ:is. It really is, yeah, and it's you know. So, yeah, but then when you go into my curse, it I don't want to say it takes it down a notch, but it it almost takes it into a different Madhouse state. It's not the same as like a Sick, the Dying and the Dead. Then it gets followed by Ravenous, which ramps it back up to 100 again. Micros is kind of that time where it's almost I don't call it an introspective maybe but it's kind of that time where you kind of just bring yourself back together again and then kind of just prep for what comes.
Chad:I think that's the beauty of the way the set list is in the madhouse monster, I mean.
MJ:It requires so much stamina and if you put, if you put the grind the axe version of my curse and I know this, this is sacrilege and I'm not implying it, but you know I'm not even saying this one to troll you, okay, but if you put the grind the axe version of my curse into the my curse version of the madhouse monster, it would be not just because of the choreography styling being different, but just the actual like theme of the workout. Even if it was choreographed in the same way as the my curse and the madhouse monsters, it just wouldn't fit. That yeah theme is inside of it. It's just a very different um vibe that it goes for. You know, the my curse and grind the axee is designed to bring you down, it's designed to just completely let you get everything out, and if you did that in the second song of the Madhouse Monster, you would be dead by the end.
Chad:Yeah, you would not be able to get through the rest of the songs. I mean Holy Wars, not Ready to.
Chad:Die yeah, okay. And I'm glad that we played Mike Curse from Grind the Ooh yeah, okay. And and I'm glad that we played you know we played my curse from grinding grind the ax and then I said I suggested immediately let's go play it, mad house monster, cause we can get to it quick. It's the second song you know and compare it and we talked through it and I just found it so interesting. You brought up the fact that you can't get. Everything is wider and you have to use your range of motion and that blew my mind because it's the only song on the whole dang monster I can, diamond I can get beautiful power hits on, and I think it's just the way we're built. You know you go straight down and you're using it like, like hammers and that way you how you related it.
MJ:That sledgehammer, just as opposed to having like two hatchets and trying to go to two trees at the same time or whatever.
MJ:It's the difference between when you go for, if you're familiar with the speed scores, it's that you're in the six to eight meters per second range versus that nine to ten meter per second range type motions meter per second range type motions. And you know, as I was coming up and just learning supernatural learning being by my own, basically because I didn't have anyone else when I started but you know, every swing, every hit was for the fences. It was always about that, just as hard as I could, and that was straight shoulder. I mean, the first time I did walk into the madhouse, first few times I walked into the madhouse, even on Black Venom, everything was a shoulder swing, even on the drum rolls. It was pure shoulder. There was no elbow, there was no wrist, there was no nothing. It was going through as fast as I could. Now, I did not come close to 100% accuracy on it, but that was the only style that I knew, and went, just absolute ham through it, absolute ham through it, right.
Chad:I just find it so interesting because, for me, I need that flowiness to create momentum for me to have faster, more powerful hits. I try and stay within the 6.7 to 7 range but on my curse, I mean I'm, I'm going upwards of eight, nine, because I'm using the momentum created by the lunges, by the, the way the, the targets are out, you know, you're looking at the main portal and they're to the right or to the left, and just that momentum I'm able to create in those movements allows me to be faster. And so I just found it so fascinating that you are the absolute opposite, opposite of me, and, um, it goes to show every style of flow is needed in the library.
MJ:Absolutely, absolutely.
Chad:So I appreciate it. I appreciated that. Now will I play my curse again from the high grinding? No, I took it out of my library. Nope, there's only one of my curse again from the high grinding. No, I took it out of my library. Nope, there's only one of my curse. No. So we were talking about the madhouse monster, because the my curse I like is in that one. The one you like is in grinding. And you sort of touched a little bit on welcome to the madhouse. I know welcome to the madhouse is your special madhouse, whereas Return is my special madhouse. So tell us a little bit about why Welcome is like your one diehard madhouse.
MJ:So to me, there's two things to me personally that are really, really, really special about Welcome. It makes it my favorite. I'll go with three because I love the style in it. I mean, to me it's my favorite style. It is the hard-hitting, it is the. You know, the. I don't want to call it more of the Stone Age style of madhouses, if you want to think of it that way, but it's much more of the. You know it's much more of that. Yes, you get a lot more of that grind the axe choreography than what you do in a madhouse monster choreography.
MJ:Yeah, if you want to give a comparison, sake, um, but the two reasons to me that it's super special, one was, um, starting my journey out. I started. I was at a. I was extremely overweight, I was very lazy, I was, I was not in cardio shape at all, um, but I started my journey back in November of 2021 and built myself up from just a basic low flow workout that I could do, one low flow a day, three days, three times a week, and it worked up to a medium, worked up to a high. I dropped about 50 pounds at this point in time and I think it was I want to say that that workout came out was it May 22, if I remember right.
Chad:May 17th 2022.
MJ:And I remember it coming out and I remember being scared to death of it. I remember the community was. It was all the talk in the supernatural community.
Chad:It was a big deal. There was not a workout like this in the community, in the library.
MJ:The closest thing to before that was there was one high intensity flow that featured Trooper yeah, that was a, at that point in time, probably the most intense flow workout in the library in that regard, and I had completed that one and that one pushed me to my limit. I mean that was more where, at the time, I was at the end of it, just wiped, exhausted, just completely dead at the end of doing that one. And then this one came out. It had trooper in it and then the word slowly started coming in of oh my gosh, this is, this is insane, mark, what are you doing? And then people like, yeah, troopers, like the middle song inside of it. It's nowhere close to being in the highest.
Chad:Maybe it's the third or fourth song inside of it.
MJ:It's nowhere close to being in the highest. You know, maybe it's the third or fourth song inside of as far as difficulty goes. It's just like you say what? Yeah, it shocked you. You're like, oh gosh, I'm not playing that. So I, I ducked it. I was like I'm not ready. Yeah, I finally I think I want to say it was maybe a month later or something within the next month I had a rest day I was taking.
MJ:I took several rest days. I worked my way way up, I think at that point in time, to taking two rest days a week, which I still do to this day. But I was doing two rest days. I had just come off a rest day. I think it was either a Friday after work. I had a really good day at work and was just feeling super energetic. I was like, all right, you know what, I'm going to come home, I'm going to tackle this. I'm just going to do it. I know it's going to be insane. Going into it, I'm banking on between each song, I'm going to pause, I'm going to get a drink of water, I'm going to catch my breath, I'm going to do whatever. But five times one song, basically, is how my mindset went into it of and I'm going to get through this. So went into it and, um, raining blood started and it was just magical. It was, you know starts. At the beginning it's like, okay, this isn't too bad, those first parts where Mark's just kind of giving you a little.
Chad:Hey, yeah it's, it's all good. It's a false sense of security.
MJ:Yes, and of course, in the warmup you see Mark dressed like he's getting ready to go to a you know kiss concert back in the eight. Like absolute targets from above, just rain down nonstop for five minutes.
MJ:Yes, and once again, bear in mind, this is when I was doing all 100% shoulder as hard as I could the entire time through and got to the end of it and I was dying for air. It's like, okay, pause and just water, right, and it took two or three minutes, caught my breath again, went back into madhouse Madhouse, not madhouse, it's not quite as bad as what, um, raining blood is from a, you know, from a challenge to difficulty standpoint. Got through that. It was like you know what I know more is coming, pausing it again Cause I know troopers next Didn't really need to recover but it stuck my time, got a drink of water anyway, went through Trooper and it was. I think they changed the choreography but it was still every bit as challenging as what the first Trooper was that had come out previously, paused again and then was introduced to.
Chad:Black. Metal, black Metal, which ooh, that's the first time we were given drum rolls. Yes, hardcore drum rolls. Yes, hardcore drum rolls.
MJ:Yes, and it's. This is not little. You know, this is not drum rolls, where it's just this nice little whatever. No, no, no, no, no. And you don't just get them once, no, you don't just get them twice.
Chad:No, dude, it's like they're in there, it's the majority song. So what I found interesting, uh uh, about black metal is it's all forward facing, you don't turn. And it makes sense because it was the first time we were being given drum rolls and such complex, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick patterns. You can't turn. You know, it was just the three portals, three lanes in front of you.
MJ:Um man, is it intense I remember the first time going through that and by the time I got to like the fourth or fifth set of drum rolls, my shoulders and arms were ready to fall off same um, it was. I'm literally sitting here doing like this, where I'm just trying to hold my shoulders in place and almost a lot like a penguin to get like my arms to go up and down because they are just fried right but got through black metal, paused again.
MJ:It's like, okay, worst has to be behind me. Now get a drink of water, recover for a couple minutes and, by the way, 26, 27 minute workout was, I think, an hour long by the time I was actually done with it. But and then you go to tornado souls, which, oh yeah, it's the longest song in the workout.
Chad:It is and it's last.
MJ:And it's last, and you basically get the drum rolls from black metal, sometimes straight on, sometimes at a slide angle, sometimes they throw a couple at a slide angle midway through and then, oh yeah, it also adds the full 360 spin a raise into it. It adds all the different types of moves into it as well, a few other types are introduced to it. It has all different types of moves into it, a few other types are introduced.
MJ:It brings back stuff from all the other previous songs from Raining Blood and it just brings it all together into one giant tornado.
Chad:Yes, Tornado of Target. So that's a different workout. That's a great hoedown by the way, if you haven't done that one.
MJ:I'm not talking about that one Marla Bray country music. End of the Madhouse discussion.
Chad:I'm just throwing that out there, just saying I cannot believe I set myself up in this way and that deserves 20 trolls for that.
MJ:I'm serious, but I will not Keep your hoedown music out of mentioned, I'll just throw that out there just, yeah, just saying fair, that actually be kind of an interesting thing, going straight from tornado souls right into the tornado of targets uh, you know, hoda might be. That'd be kind of cool. They should kind of do that anyway. Um, I digress, but got through tornadoes and I remember, because I was new to this music style, like I've listened. I listen to rock, I listen to listen to all sorts of music, but I don't I listen to whatever's on. I enjoy it, but I don't go out of my way usually to listen to whatever's on. I enjoy it, but I don't go out of my way usually to listen to. There's certain songs I'll listen to, but I don't listen to the radio I don't listen to. Usually it's music that I've had to hear someplace that I like to add to a playlist. I don't. Rarely do I listen to like a popular type thing, unless it's like playing in the mall, and rarely are they playing Megadeth in the mall. No, no.
Chad:So henceforth, this was a new introduction a lot of these songs I didn't know, so I wasn't familiar with like length of songs, anything like any sort of notes and things like that.
MJ:So I remember mark coming on finally and I was like this thing has to be over. He's like so this is the longest workout in the song. Good news only a minute left. I'm like still a minute to go. So I was dying up is, but I'm gonna literally just throw my arms because it's all I had left in me at this point in time. And but got through. It, got to the end and I I think I skipped the cool down because I was just I was so out of breath and so just done, I literally just collapsed on the ground.
MJ:I was spent, had nothing left. I was able to crawl to get my phone. I'd literally been crawl to get it and took the selfie. It was such just a kind of a euphoric state where it was just I had literally just spent everything I had in me but I'd gotten through it, I'd conquered the thing. I feared, I survived it. I didn't. It wasn't a thriving, it was definitely surviving. But I gotten through that and just felt so great about it Cause it was like that was, that was the hardest thing in the supernatural libraries of getting through that. There was nothing I couldn't do and it was that mindset, that just that wrecking, that realization of yeah, I still have a lot of work to go, I still have a lot of work to go, I still a lot of things to achieve, but you're gonna get there, you're gonna do it there was nothing that could stop me, besides an injury, which did happen to creep up, but that's another story.
MJ:Um, but that was also the only time I did that madhouse, and the only madhouse I had done for about a year yeah, until you.
Chad:you met us and you we started hanging out and you started going out into the community a little bit more. And then, I think the first party, you joined with me and some other people. We had a madhouse on the list and you were like well, I guess that's that it's time.
MJ:I think it was forget the madhouse, because I had not done it and I remember being on the list and it was like, okay, yep, I'll have to. I guess I'll have to do this.
MJ:I got to pretend that I can at least survive this, because otherwise they might just forget about me and boot me out, you never know, never I'd only been in this, I'd only been like hanging out like three days and it was like, well, I got to at least pretend. So you know, make it to make it, or whatever. So, yes, I might not be saying much and I might get horrible scores, but I got to at least pretend to get through, you did fantastic.
Chad:You did fantastic, and that is Mad Houses. Bring not only people together, because it's absolutely a blast to play Mad Houses with friends in competitions with newbies who have never played a Mad House, look, I'll join anyone who is never played a madhouse. Look, I'll join anyone who is afraid. So we'll chat anyone who's afraid. To play a madhouse, you need a friend, you need a buddy.
MJ:Tag it, tag me. Let us know Whatever Exactly.
Chad:We will join you, no problem, cause it is the absolute best. Here's someone experience it, to go through the hard to do it, and then the confidence it just builds. This such, this euphoric belief in yourself, that other workouts don't do.
MJ:Um, and even for people you know, once again it's. It goes back to the same thing I said with portal combat even if you're an earth fiddle and fury, even if you're not ready for it, you know, even if you're you know, I mean, I just got into highs.
MJ:I can't, I whatever. Try it, even if you go to the, even if you get through one song. Yeah, get through the first song, and if you're dead after that you can stop, it's okay. It's okay to exit out and have a partial no shame in the game at all with that. But what makes it so amazing is then come back to it again after two months, after three months, and then all of a sudden you remember that I can't do this and all of a sudden it's like oh wait, I just did the first song, I'm going to do the second song and maybe I can get through the entire workout. I might be dead at the end of the workout, but I just completed that and that's how far I've come, since I could only do one song and it's you just get to. It's a non-scale victory way of being able to track your journey, of just really pushing and challenging. It's just seeing that, wow. It's just seeing that, wow, I can actually do this now that I could not do, you know, just a couple months ago.
Chad:Well, what's pretty neat is, first of all, you mentioned the music you weren't. You know this wasn't your music. It wasn't mine either. I didn't. I was not into this Like I was like, why do I want to play this? None of this music I'm into.
Chad:I can relate to your story because I avoided the madhouse. Welcome to the madhouse. When it came out and now, years later, I'm obsessed with madhouses. I love all of the music. It's just perfect with the choreography and the vibe. While welcome might not be my favorite madhouse, I appreciate it because it it it opened the door and you can watch and see how it evolves and changes through the years, which is really cool.
Chad:And my absolute favorite quote of all time, of all the madhouses, of all workouts ever, is in the very last song, tornado of souls. Um, and Mark says it and it is so powerful it sticks with me, pushed me through so many difficult workouts, so many. The first time I played Mad House Welcome to the Mad House when I was on my 100% accuracy run and I was going through it and going through it as soon as he would say and I'll put it up on the screen. I hope I do this justice because it's such a great quote. He says look inside yourself and call on that inner warrior, the most powerful, bold, dynamic and commanding version of yourself, the part of you that refuses to back down from a challenge, the you that believes it's never over until you win. And if that does not give you goosebumps and push you beyond what you ever thought you could do, I really don't know.
Chad:This is just like a mic drop moment. But when he says it during Tornado of Souls, I get a second wind every time. And if I make it past that quote I know I'll nail it. And I've gotten 100% on that song, accuracy wise, ever since I finally got 100% on the whole workout. And I swear it's because of that quote. It's because of that quote. It just does something for me that lights a fire in me. So while it is your favorite, I will say my favorite quote is in there of all time.
MJ:So what you're saying is it lights that fire, similar to how Dewana lights that fire at the beginning of my curse in Grind the Axe.
Chad:Do you see my eyes rolling behind? I'm like all the way behind my head.
MJ:Sure, I get it Like that transition Madhouse to Grind the Axe.
Chad:I get it, I get it, but so many similarities that just tie in there. Oh man, oh man, dude, I have really enjoyed this episode one for many reasons. My dear friend gets to come on, we get to, we get to fight and have some discord about workouts and choreography, something I've been craving so much. I love having guests on the show and interviewing community members, but at the heart of it, I want to talk about workouts. Can we discuss the choreography? Can we do this? And thank you for coming on and I want to warn I say warn, warn the audience to expect Chad more in the future, because we have a great different perspectives on workout which I think lots of different people can relate to, whether they appreciate what you have to say or what I have to say, and you have so much of your story that we can share. I mean, you're a totally changed man from three years ago, four years ago, you've accomplished so much and I'm just so glad you came on today.
MJ:Well, thank you. I also forgot to mention Walking in the Madhouse was the first 100% accuracy Madhouse as well. It's the second reason why it's so precious and dear to my heart. It is it is First of all. I got 100% accuracy on after a long struggle.
Chad:A long struggle, a long struggle which you fought through. And that's the common theme in a lot of this stuff is you find a challenge that you're like, hmm, it's possible. I'm seeing someone else do it or I know it's possible because you know, I believe that, but can I do it? And you push yourself to do it. You don't stop until you accomplish it, and your 100 accuracy on welcome to the madhouse is a prime example. How many plays of welcome to the madhouse did it take for you to get 100 on it?
MJ:welcome was, I believe 62, but that does not include the 100 plus tries on. Forget the madhouse to also get.
Chad:Try to get there, yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
Chad:But it's the struggle, it's the grit, it's the determination, the mental just is so real it is so real joy when you finally achieve that after the long months and months and months of just nonstop one target here, one target there, just yeah, I think we all, all of us who are in the 100% accuracy for any of the Madhouse group, we get highly emotional anytime we see a new member join us, because we know we understand what they had to do, what they had to work for, the mental determination it requires to go back in and try, and it's physically I mean woof man.
MJ:Yeah, yeah, when fiddle and fury becomes your warmup workout.
Chad:Yes, agreed, agreed. I remember that when you were going after forget and you would just go fiddle and fury, then forget, fiddle and fury, forget man Intense. So I got to ask every guest gets to suggest a workout. I'm going to change things up this time. Usually it's just one workout, but I thought why don't we do two, a boxing and a flow, from now on? Because we have people in the community who aren't into flow really, or vice versa. So give it to us. What's your boxing suggestion of the week?
MJ:Okay, boxing suggestion of the week. Um, I'm going to go with something we discussed here in this podcast, this episode. Um, so for this one, portal combat oh the first one to go out first.
MJ:Okay, portal combat one. The origin of them, the. In my opinion, I would rank it higher than portal combat two. Personally, same. Just once again, it has. It has that deeper meaning to me. It's got that, um, you know just the. It wasn't quite the struggle that a madhouse was to get that 100% accuracy, but it was. You know, it was still a struggle. Witchcraft is no joke. Rain is no joke, um, yeah, but it joy going through it. It really is. If you like that, if you're in a, if you like the video game style, if you like that just that mindset, that kind of gets you in. It feels like you're just fighting your way through a video game, like the only thing missing in this is like having like Godzilla in the background, like rising up with a big health bar above his head and each time you're hitting a target style workout, agreed, um, but yeah. So boxing side has to be portal combat. Um, for this one I yeah flow.
Chad:So this one. Look at you over there like yeah we've talked about a lot. We have amazing workouts, we have I mean, he didn't tell me what workout I did not.
MJ:I, yes, I did not. I asked, yes, I did not. I gave her a range of like five different ones, but which were kind of obvious ones I'd pick from. I'm going to save one for next time. Actually, I'm saving two for next time. Okay, there's three that I would pick today if I got my options, but I'm going to go with one.
Chad:Okay, and.
MJ:I'm doing this one primarily. We talked a fair amount about it. But I'm gonna go with one. Okay, and I'm doing this one primarily that we talked a fair amount about it. But it's also February, it is the month for this, this particular workout. It's fiddle and fury. Um, it's, it's kind of my pet workout. It's my. It's got a special place, um, along with all both the others, but for this being February, this being the month, that fiddle and fury is kind of lighting it up. It's in the trending section.
MJ:Jesset threw out the challenge for people to do it 22 times during the month of February. We're over halfway through the month, so you can knock that down a little bit if you want to. If you haven't started yet, my goal is to get to 100 playthroughs of it, which required me to do this about, I think, 36 times during the month. So I'm on my way to that, but I want to get to a hundred playthroughs by the end of the month on that. Um, we've had two people in the community who've gotten a hundred percent accuracy on newly this month.
MJ:Um yeah, shout out to uh Julie Blight and Mary Van Dorn. Um, amazing job Both you guys on achieving a hundred percent accuracy on uh, fit on fury, because it is not an easy one. You make you your focus breaks from one split second, you will donk something with a knee strike or just have a target with by. If you once again it's just a.
Chad:It's a very technical in the sense your form, the way you attack it is a very technical piece that you don't necessarily think about in other workouts. It causes you to adjust the way you're going to hit the knee strikes, where your arm placement is while you're hitting knee strikes. Again, when we put this up, go watch Chad's video and see, when you go to play Fiddle and Fury, if you can improve on the knee strikes after learning all his techniques on how to nail them. You know.
MJ:I would dare say it's actually almost a defensive flow workout.
Chad:I need to think about this. This is the first time I've heard this said like this.
MJ:It is the first time you know. Boxing has plenty of defense with the blocks and the slips and everything else. It's almost the first time in flow that we really have to think about defensive movement to be able to dodge the knee strike.
Chad:Collision detection inside of Supernatural, yes, fascinating Something I'm going to be thinking about all day now, so that I'm going to have to make notes and talk about this again, because you're absolutely right. Like a light bulb just went oh man, chad, oh cool, all right. So fiddle and fury.
MJ:Chad oh, cool All right.
Chad:So Fiddle and Fury, untroll, yeah, untroll, yeah, you've just lost like 20 of the ones I gave you. Because this is brilliant. And this is the beauty of Chatters, because he's a good dude in the community. He's always helpful, hilarious, always up for shenanigans to encourage and motivate others, and we appreciate you, man Well, thank you. So fiddle and fury, and what was portal combat? Portal combat. And after you play these workouts, don't forget to rate the workout. Doing this for Julia, look to the left. Rate, do the needful, whatever it is that. However you feel about the workout, it is so important. This is how we get our voices heard. They look at all that data and guess what? Most people totally forget to rate workouts. So your opinion weighs a lot If you're constantly rating the workouts, y'all.
MJ:I do wish they would let us rate each section individually.
Chad:Yeah, fair enough, I would love that.
MJ:Because I hate going in and saying I don't like a workout, but when it's only because of one particular thing. But yet the coaching may have been great, but the music selection just wasn't for me. And the choreography may have been. Yeah, it's just. I wish you could do a more, a little more detailed.
Chad:And this is when you hit other and an email is automatically sent to you, prompts you, and then you can email them back with detailed um review and I get that's a lot. That seems like a lot, but I mean you're watching a podcast about supernatural and choreography, so I feel like it's not a lot. Like you could get in the habit of it. If you have a lot to say about it and you feel strongly about it, email them, write your novel. They read it, they read it during their meetings. So you know it's important. And again, they want to hear from us. Y'all. They want to hear from us, they do.
Chad:Yeah, so thanks for spending time with us Coming on the show Chad. I appreciate you.
MJ:Are you going to let me go without asking the question that Julia's going to smack you for?
Chad:Oh gosh, I am, because this is not a Marla question, so it's never in the front of my brain, and it is what is your favorite food or snack? Chad?
MJ:Good thing you were here, so I was doing the Julia, just the I was getting the DMs from her right now of her saying make sure you ask, make sure you ask the.
MJ:no, it was. So my favorite food and snack happens to be Little Lady Soft Serve. It's a soft serve ice cream place. They do amazing Sundays. They're here in Columbus, ohio, where I'm out of yeah, it's a suburb of it called West River Players. It's an amazing shop. But since I changed my lifestyle around and we'll get to that some other time, but it's the one thing that I've made sure to keep, that was kind of a. I've actually gained it since I have gotten to this point because they're a little bit newer, but daily and I'm not exaggerating- this he's not.
Chad:He's always sending us pictures.
MJ:I will eat something from Little Lady's Soft Serve. I will either have a slice of pie that I brought home and keep the pie in the freezer, or I will be there. I'm there at least five times a week. I'm going to be there probably within two hours of when we finish recording this and to be clear, more likely if you're watching this in the evening. I'm probably there as well. Those are watching.
MJ:And to be clear it's ice cream pie. It is ice cream pie. Yes, it's also ice cream pie, yes. However, remember I had a swerve that I was saving for you and there may be a reason why I remember this question, because my swerve is about this question. Marla, I want to list off five appetizers and I want you to rank them one through five, but I'm asking you blindly, so I'm going to name one and you've got to rank it one to five and how you would order it, but you're not going to know the others until they come, which I know is just pure torture on the way your mind works.
Chad:It really is. You've got to prep me. Okay, okay, okay, fine, fine, fine.
MJ:So, item one Fried raviolis and the dipping sauce of your choice, four of your choice.
Chad:Four blooming onion, three stuffed mushrooms, five pita and hummus no, actually I would put pita and hummus like like for legit. I would probably put that second. So it's not too bad that it made it first place.
MJ:Now you have one more to go. Oh crap, you stopped for one and two.
Chad:That was only four. One and two are still available.
MJ:That's only four.
Chad:Okay, okay, okay, so pita and hummus is going which one?
MJ:One or two?
Chad:Which means the fifth thing is going to go in the other spot, number two. So your favorite appetizer of all time is potato skins. It's, I do love potato skins. I would pick potato skins over all those other ones. And it worked out. It did work out, you're right. I was like, oh crap, oh, my brain can't handle that, chad, I know, I know, know, and you'd love every second of it. Fair enough, fair enough.
MJ:As I'm sure, to the people I'm just saying, those listening and those watching this, seeing your expression right now, watching the face just get like that 15 shades of red and almost like matching the lipstick there, by the way.
MJ:Also one thought of congratulations, by the way. By the way, if you watch the first podcast episode of For the Love of the Map, not only is it now just over a year old, but coming to this one, there's been a slight change in the host of For the Love of the Map. I'm just saying she's looking absolutely amazing. Thank you, your journey's come a good long way yes. Past year plus, and so congratulations on that. Thank you, and, yes, thank you, so I just wanted to shout that out before wrapping up.
Chad:You know how you start a journey and you make progress and sometimes you slip backwards life priorities and then you get back on it. I'm very thankful for the community, for this podcast, for my obsession of supernatural, because it allows me to always come back to myself and to take care of myself. So thank you for noticing because I I try and work hard and you do. You do. Thank you. Well, I appreciate you being here and I appreciate everyone listening in. Thanks for spending the time with us and we will see you next time. Bye, everyone. Thanks for joining us on today's episode of For the Love of the Map. As always, you can join the discussion in the private Facebook group and follow along with show updates on Instagram and TikTok. Links can be found in the description below. If you find value in the show, please share it with your friends. If you find value in the show, please share it with your friends. Your comments, likes and reviews are invaluable and I cannot thank you guys enough. See you next time.