For the Love of the Map

Episode 18: Dance Your Heart Out

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Julia and MJ dive into a detailed review of the latest Pro's Only Flow workout, sharing their candid thoughts and community reactions. They discuss the disappointment with recycled maps and the lack of new challenges, while comparing it to previous Pro's Only workouts in terms of intensity, replay ability, and complexity. 

Shifting gears, explore the concept of Dancy workouts, what makes a workout feel dancey and how music and choreography play pivotal roles. 


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MJ:

Hi Julia, hi Marla, how are you? I'm good, how are you Doing great. So listen, we got lots to discuss today.

Julia:

First lots.

MJ:

My cat is here. I've got treats. We should be good. We'll see what happens. He might come say hi. Second, I feel like we should talk about this before we get into the meat of our episode, which is about dancey flow. That is what we will eventually talk about.

Julia:

Eventually, you know, in about two hours maybe.

MJ:

Let's hope not, maybe, maybe, though no, no, no.

Julia:

Let's not edit a two-hour podcast episode.

MJ:

So last weekend, the 18th, now that our recording dates are different, it's weird to talk about things that just happened, even though they're coming out like a week later, Anyway. So May 18th, we were gifted with a pros only flow workout.

Julia:

Yes, it was pros only day.

MJ:

The title is Bow Down. It is 17 minutes. The amazing Dwana coached it. We need to talk about it.

Julia:

We do need to talk about it. I was awoken as usual and all the channels, all the places with the Marla pros it's pros only day with the emojis of the party, and so a lot of excitement, chatter got on the community and didn't really see a whole lot of chatter about it yet early in the morning, so I was very excited to jump in. Only four songs, like you said, kind of short. We recognized two of the songs for sure. The Hand that Feeds is in another pros, only that we that we love um madhouse actually yeah, we gotta get that word in too. Uh, so we were excited to jump in together and experience this one. So yeah what did?

Julia:

what did you think?

MJ:

unlike you, I had a weird. I was excited it was pros only day, but as yeah, I was waiting for everyone to wake up, because I was awake before everyone else and I'm waiting and waiting and looking in the community.

MJ:

I just started getting this weird feeling like I'm not as excited and I thought, well, I'm gonna take a little nap and wait for julie to wake up, because I can't play it until she wakes up and she has coffee and she's ready. So I took a little nap and I woke up and I still wasn't all that excited. But we got in because I was like it's pros only day. Why am I not excited?

Julia:

Well, part of our issue was that we saw some gameplay from the hand that feeds and we were like, okay, so I saw the gameplay, gameplay took it, took my old gameplay, put it together and we found out it was exactly the same. So I was we were kind of like okay. So that already gave us some feelings before we even went into it?

MJ:

yeah, because pros only flow, and it goes the same for boxing too. It's so far and few between. Please don't recycle apps for me, please please not for pros only.

Julia:

Not for pros only because it's. It's disappointing I mean, I'm gonna say it, it's disappointing when we've already done that.

MJ:

I've already mastered that one. Give me something new, please, some changes. I was hoping at least there would be some tweaks, some changes. Um, because when we had justin on our podcast, he mentioned that he would edit this song. So when I saw the gameplay, I thought to myself there's no edits, you know what's happening and I don't know the reason behind all. You know the behind the scenes stuff. But yeah, so maybe that was partially why I was a little not as excited as a typical pros only day. Um, listen, I'm just going to get right out with it so we can move on to our real I know we're going to sit skate skate around.

MJ:

We are for an hour listen, it was a good high workout it was it was not a pros, only workout. And I would even say that the last song, the hand that feeds, is no longer a pros, only for us. And I'm gonna say, because that came out so long ago, it came out almost two years ago and it's just.

Julia:

We've trained so much.

MJ:

Yes.

Julia:

With it. Exactly so it wasn't fresh and new and exciting.

MJ:

Yeah, is it a pros only? Yes, that song is a pros only, but I wanted more, and that's because I'm spoiled and I love pros only workouts, but this was a solid high. I played it twice once with you like our typical tradition. And then I went back in and played it the next day alone so that I could really investigate and really think about what was happening. I got 100% accuracy on my second play. So there's no replayability for me on this one. It's just not complex enough.

Julia:

It's not a prose only I would go to to be challenged well, and I think in the conversation we had while we were doing it it kind of felt like an older prose only, yes, that we would have gotten you know a year or two ago, and usually when we go on a prose only together, we can't talk a whole lot right and the sounds that we are making are screaming, or Julia? Did you see that?

MJ:

Julia, did you get that? What just happened? What is that? Oh my gosh, is it going to happen again so we can master it?

Julia:

Yeah, it was a lot of, and we usually jump right back into it to do it again together. We do so. No, I will say there was nothing uncomfortable, nothing that felt bad. The angles were great, yeah, yeah, everything felt great. It just didn't have that pros only complexity that we've been seeing in the last year, year and a half, two years, and in the pros only so it. It was kind of a letdown because we don't get them a lot, like you said. So when we got this one, it was like, oh well, that's kind of like a high and I feel like I do need to go back in and play it by myself. I have not done that yet, um, so I really do need to do that. But yeah, it was kind of the day was like really exciting and then it kind of I'm not gonna say it was, but it kind of felt like a letdown a little bit, you know.

MJ:

I think that this would be a good high or a good pros only for people who aren't used to doing pros onlys or who have difficulty with super complex patterns, because this one repeats a lot.

Julia:

It does.

MJ:

I know the third song, when Worlds Collide. I really enjoy the pattern there, but it's just the same pattern over and over again. It just repeats. It doesn't change with the music and I think there's a little bit of multi-lane work in there. I wouldn't call it complex. I would call it more like you're stretching and using, you know, that part of your body a little bit more than we normally see in a high Um. Again, I think we will both want to be clear that this, this was not a bad workout, but we were expecting a pros only and for us it did not feel like a pros only, right. So I think my first playthrough I missed one target. And then my second playthrough I nailed it A hundred percent accuracy, all triangles all targets and, like I want to get a 99.5 on accuracy the first few times.

Julia:

Play a prose only.

MJ:

I really do, I really do. That's what's going to get me back in the headset and motivated, and want to continue to play it over and over again.

Julia:

But I think the first song was my favorite and the third song was my least favorite, but I feel like that's because it didn't spin us around.

MJ:

Yeah, we were in three portals I thought I thought for a minute that I had put forward facing on, which is something I do not do like you, you know I'm being held and forced to put forward facing on, basically, uh, when that happens, I, I can count, I think it's. I've done it two times, I've done forward facing two times in my whole life, in my whole supernatural life. So I, I, I was a little shook by only three portals. So, yeah, um, again.

Julia:

Well, it'll be interesting to see. I know we sound so negative. We've talked about this too.

MJ:

We have bad weather here, so forgive us if we talk over each other. We don't have a great connection today, but I don't think this is a horrible workout no, not at all it comes off like we're very negative about it. But that's you know what we do, we. We critique the choreography. We look at it in a different way than the majority of people, I think. So again, thank you for the pros only. But can we have another?

Julia:

well, and we were talking about this. It is kind of this reminded us how the um, the boxing pros onlys are and those are very unpredictable. So this was kind of like a lower pros only in a in a flow world and our flow world and we haven't seen that in a while and we haven't seen that in a while.

MJ:

You're absolutely right, because pros flow. Workouts are consistently intense. We know what to expect and I was not expecting this when I saw pros only that day I was expecting Fusion Fiesta Go big or go home, that's right, I was expecting to need to sit on the floor between songs.

Julia:

Well, I mean look at the cover art. I think that that's very it makes you feel like you're about to get into something real heavy there. There's fire on there.

MJ:

And what do we think of when we see fire? Yeah, we have been brainwashed to assume it is a mad house. Yeah, yeah, and I know that there are no more mad houses the series is over. But you know, part of me saw the cover art and I was like, oh gosh, we're, we're getting it, we're getting a real good pros only today. So, anyway, let's get to our actual subject for today.

Julia:

But, as we say, this is for someone, and I think you kind of mentioned that too. This is someone's favorite workout and I think that's awesome, that that's there for someone for that to be their favorite, that they play, not knocking your choices or your your, your thoughts on the workout at all. It's just not for us right, and that's okay yeah, 100, okay, 100.

MJ:

Just like madhouses aren't for some people, they are for us, so we'll just keep playing them. They are you, just keep playing the ones you like. So today we mentioned a few weeks ago, we talked all about flowy flows and I promised myself I would never say that sentence again because, like hearing that podcast over and it was like flowy flow, flowy flow. Oh man that drew me crazy. Anyway, we mentioned styles of flow. Right, we talked a little bit about it. Let's talk more in detail about dancey flow today.

Julia:

And this one made our heads spin, thinking about this, because we had a full circle conversation.

MJ:

Well, yeah.

Julia:

What is dance?

MJ:

I started overthinking a little bit because it's very subjective, right?

Julia:

Yes, If you like the music.

MJ:

If the music makes you dance, you're going to dance. Are you a dancer already, you know? Does music naturally make you dance, or are you someone it's difficult to get to move? So is it the choreography making you dance, or is it the music making you dance, or is it a combination? It's just, oh man, my brain was like la la la.

Julia:

Well, and we asked our friends for some, you know what, what are your favorite dancey ones? And there were so many that came in. But then we realized to us we were like, well, no, that one's not dancey, but it is to them. And you know, wasn't as much to us, unless we just added that in, and so music can be such a huge proponent of that and can really make you dance.

MJ:

But then I personally want the choreography to make me dance, because I'm not a dancer, so to be given everything that I need and not have to add in my own, that gets me really excited so, but but for you, well, when we broke it down, there really isn't a lot of workouts in the library that offer a lot of dance moves, inherently in the choreography, in the sense right of like, right out of a music video. I I mean, this is not a dance game. Let's just say that right now. This is not dance dance revolution, we're not trying but it is also, at the same time, very dancey and movement heavy and with the music. So I think there are inherently a lot of workouts that just get you to dance if you let go and allow yourself to really use full body movements and take advantage of the two-step triangles, that kind of thing, and you can find this in flow and boxing, slip bars, sl slip bars get you and I dancing and moving all around.

Julia:

Um, oh, yeah, yeah, but yeah even the block targets more recently.

MJ:

Right right, especially when they start coming out of multi-portals. Yeah, that's true. Yeah for sure. So I guess you know you would think that just dance workouts would naturally make you dance, right? Mm-hmm Fuegos.

Julia:

Yeah, Fuegos jazz.

MJ:

Yeah, but who naturally thinks jazz.

Julia:

I don't, is that it?

MJ:

Jazz, yeah, but who naturally thinks jazz?

Julia:

I don't, is that it?

MJ:

For me. I never once thought jazz would just inherently make me dance. But then there's swing dancing, there's all of these styles that go with jazz music. But if I was in a dancey mood, would I pick a jazz workout to go dance? No, but some would.

Julia:

Well, I have one listed down here Because Chad told me you need to go do this one. It made me dance and so I did it and I was like, oh okay, and I've done some boxing ones with that style of music and I can't stop moving my feet. So I say I want the dance moves in there, but I didn't need them for those. I mean some music. Just you just can't help yourself. You're just all over the place everywhere. I don't prefer, you know, I would prefer the choreographer to put in there what we need, but sometimes I guess you really just don't need it. You can just, you know, like you said, do your own dance, do your own thing and go with what you feel. And some people like that wide open feeling of being able to do. Some people don't want to be restricted by the targets or by the triangles. Well, obviously we have to have our targets, but by the triangles and by the knee strikes and things like that. But we've had some very dancey, choreographed on purpose flows and boxings.

MJ:

Yeah, I like both. Yeah, I like the opportunity to add my own things. I really like it when I notice that in the actual choreography they're having you do dancing moves. But I really don't think there are actually a lot of workouts that are choreographed for the dance that say in the music video or the artist did Maybe it's the choreographer who is interpreting their own sort of dance movements that's something we would have to ask them. But my take on it I think we see it more in medium than we do in highs.

Julia:

Okay, yeah medium than we do in highs. Okay, yeah, except for, except for the um, what is it called? The fuego, the fusion?

MJ:

fiesta. Well, fusion fiesta is its own thing, and so is jkpop. If we're going to go ahead and skip to all those, that's only two in the high pros only category that I would consider intentionally mapped for dancing.

Julia:

So you think it's better, when the intensity is dropped to a medium, to be able to add those things in there. But then and in turn, sometimes it makes those workouts feel like a high because all that's in there, even though it's labeled as a medium.

MJ:

Yes, exactly, and that's probably why I enjoy them because it lends, it has the space, the time to add more movement but it also elevates the workout intensity because you're adding additional movement.

MJ:

So that is definitely why I like it, because you can make those styles of mediums or lows into a higher pros, only because the time is there. Um, yeah, I think the first time I really saw intentionally mapped dance movements and not interpretive like you're moving your body and it's the music, but intentional was the JK Pop Prose, only the do-do-do-do-do-do that song. Look, watch the music video.

MJ:

We're're gonna put the music video right here on the screen. We can't play the music because they'll give us copyright, but the movements of the music video are what the targets and the triangles are having you do. You are in that music video Yep.

Julia:

That was the first time I noticed it. So the first time you did that workout, did you feel like you were doing the dance.

MJ:

Yes, 100%.

Julia:

See for me. I had to like work on this. This was not. This felt chaotic to me at first.

MJ:

And.

Julia:

I had to watch the music video right before I got into it and it took me a while see, and I did too, but it's like it all erased and my brain just freaked out and then I stumbled all through the workout. So it's taken me a while. It did not come very naturally to me. Now, when I do that workout, I can envision it and I can do the moves. But I mean, but that came out what? Over a year ago? So I've grown a lot since then and learning how to move more, but it was not something that was easy for me. It felt very out of place and I was like what is even happening here?

MJ:

Well, you admittedly say that you're not a dancer, right?

Julia:

No, I'm not.

MJ:

I mean you said you've never Concrete hips.

MJ:

And it takes a lot of work on your part to get into dancing and you would rather have the choreography be there telling you how to move so that you can dance. And again, this example is a prose only. It's not meant to be mastered on your first, second, third play. At least that's how I view prose only. So it makes sense to me that you were like whoa whoa and overwhelmed and had to work on it. Did I do all of the moves as intended by the choreography? Definitely not, but I did get the dancey vibe. I felt like I was in a music video the first time I ever played that song.

Julia:

Um, and then I continue like now.

MJ:

I want to go play that. I also want to play ray, because ray is really me too.

Julia:

I'm thinking that I'm like I can hear the music in my head. Yeah exactly.

MJ:

Anyway, point is that is an intentional dancey workout, as is Fusion Fiesta. I feel like Fusion Fiesta is definitely an intentionally mapped dance workout. What's another one?

Julia:

Well, I mean, we could go way back and we didn't even discuss this before the podcast. I'm going to spring this on you, but I think the first time they actually tried was in the April Fool's workout, when we thought we were going to dance to polka. It actually has us trying to do the electric slide Now.

Julia:

I don't know if they had all of the things available to them now and the knowledge available to them now, with all the targets and triangles to make you and I feel like it could be done way better now. We did the Macarena, which we did do some of the moves, and then we did that version of Gangnam Style, yeah and um, which obviously JKpop, you know, is the pros, and we actually have a comparison of those two. You feel like you were doing it in the medium but really in the pros, only they really have you doing moves pretty similar to to the video.

Julia:

So that one I think it might be the very first one that I think they tried to really make you dance like you would see the actual dance. Um, the one that sticks out in my mind the most, I think and I got the most excited about and we have talked about this, is the shamrock workout. That workout it just it still blows my mind when I think about it. I don't do it often because it makes me jump and it hurts my ankle. So I have my ankle hurts me and I try not to do that so I don't flare it back up again, because this one really flares it up.

Julia:

But oh, this workout and I know you were there, we've talked about how excited I got like ridiculously Right and I loved it because it made I didn't have to think about what I was doing. This choreography was put in here and told me exactly what I needed to do with my body to do the straight up river dance and I just want a whole workout with like six songs in it making me do this whole thing. Sometimes I even want to throw my controllers down, put my hands behind my back, you know, and just do the whole footwork that wears you out.

Julia:

But anyway that one was one of the ones that made me the most excited and I think another one obviously we could talk about that made me very excited was Boss Moves.

MJ:

Yeah, agreed, the first two songs on Boss Moves.

MJ:

the whole workout is very dancey but, you're doing the Cupid Shuffle Like you're legit doing the Cupid Shuffle, which still blows my mind. A dance app right, supernatural is not marketed as a dancing workout, um, but any kind of movement that we're doing and that we can add and make it fun and make sense to add dancing to. So so the Cupid Shuffle is just. I still can't believe. We did the Cupid Shuffle like the legit, like you could film yourself just doing the Cupid Shuffle and then film yourself doing the workout, the song Cupid Shuffle, and you could probably sync them together.

MJ:

Like it would be the same. It's just blows my mind that that is possible in the space of VR and supernatural.

Julia:

I love that song is first too, because you can just go in there, do the Cupid shuffle and get out. The rest of them are very fun too, and that workout, the whole workout, will get you sweating pretty good.

MJ:

It's very medium plus.

Julia:

But I mean, I I really had never done the Cupid shuffle or knew the Cupid shuffle. I don't think I've ever told you this. The dance moves in that whole workout I'd never really seen or known. I didn't. I knew that song of the Cupid shuffle but but the other and I know the song Low, which I don't think has its own dance moves video, but I don't know how you say the second song, soulja Boy, and You're a Jerk those have actual dances to them, right? Yes, they do, and I'd never heard of those two songs. And, like I said, I'd heard of the cupid shuffle and I knew it had a dance, but I didn't know what it was. I'd never done it before but I felt like I did it pretty well, pretty well, not knowing, you know, because it directed me to go exactly the way I needed to, so of course I looked it up after.

Julia:

But, um, so fun. And even the one low that doesn't have dance moves with it, you can appreciate the movements in there that make you move. Well, with that song Like you're going back and forth in the lunges hitting a target, going low, lower each time, the little smack target that we smack when we we say it every time we do so, and I think that would be an example of it makes you dance. But are you adding your own dance moves in that one? Do you think, or do you think it has its own dance moves in the choreography? See, this is where the gray lines just get blurred out, and this is we could.

MJ:

I can sit here and think about this all day, in fact. I pushed this episode off because I had to overthink it all, adding your own dancing. I think the best thing that you could ever do is find music that moves your body, find a workout that your body just lets go and move your feet. Pick your feet up, y'all, y'all. Pick your feet up. I see your videos.

MJ:

Pick your feet up, don't just stand there I know it's hard, you know you're learning, but as you're progressing in your supernatural journey, get out of your play space, move, move. Allow the music to take over and the movements and add some or follow them. You know, follow the targets and the triangles, let go, and I think any workout can be dancey, truly.

MJ:

Yeah so I think so too, and we don't know the intentions of the choreographers. So maybe they are putting the moves in there to get us to dance, but we're interpreting, not interpreting them in that way or we are some of us interpret.

MJ:

you know, look, I can't believe I'm going to mention this, but there is a medium hoedown throwdown called Lasso's in Line Dancing. It's my favorite hoedown. I don't have a favorite hoedown, this one does get you to dance. I have played it a few times, at least three times, because I'm interested in the choreography. It's got you two-stepping nonstop. It's got great lassos. I mean, I don't know the country dances that we're supposed to be doing, so maybe that was the inspiration for it.

Julia:

Yeah. But I would classify that as a dancey workout yeah, and I link this one and this also ones together, because in the you have to watch the warm-ups, and in the warm-ups they are intentionally teaching you dance step moves. Yes, by with the coaches. These are the only two workouts I know of um, the coach is like nope, let's watch the warm up, and these are the moves you need to know before you get in this workout. There is one other. I know you're excited to talk about it.

MJ:

There's lots of them, Julia.

Julia:

Well, there are. I'm like, I'm just going to call you out right now.

MJ:

No, there are lots. Y'all skip the warm-ups. The coaches are over here trying to prepare us for new stuff, and we skip them. And then we don't at least watch a warm-up once, at least watch it once, and then we don't know.

MJ:

And then how are we going to ask them to give us new moves and new things if we're not willing to watch the trainings on them? You guys, that's very true. There could be lots of hidden things in here that we have no idea because we keep skipping the warm-up or turning the coaches off. That's right, and they're talking about it. This is a whole other tangent that I can go on um but?

MJ:

but back to intentional ones. I there's a, there's lots of just dances that get me to dance and I don't think they're. I think the choreography is there to get you to intentionally move your body more. So you mentioned fuego fue. I want to talk about the pure salsa workout.

Julia:

Your salsa. That's the one I was linking with. Yeah, the warm up.

MJ:

Yeah, you have to watch the warm up for that one. There's lots of workouts you have to watch the warm up for. I mean, there's another one that I'm going to mention that I believe is dancey, and people are going to be like what, and this is one you cannot skip the warmup, and it is one of my all time favorite workouts.

MJ:

It's with coach doc, it's rapture Earn it. Don't skip the warmup on this. There are tricky knees in the um forced on song. Own it. And if you're skipping doc, you're gonna miss how to do these um. They're my favorite.

Julia:

Even doc says that they were very challenging this workout was very challenging for him yeah, for sure, and he.

Julia:

He said he had to do this one, what three or four times before he actually got got the knees um down and they were very difficult knees. Now we can go in and get them, just fine. We figured them out. But the first time we played we were just like what is happening in here and I think there's that's where there's a fine line of like in choreography. This is a whole nother topic, I guess. But do you want to go back in because you want to get it right and it was exciting to you, or did it frustrate you and you're like I'm never doing this again and like where is that fine line? It's probably different for everybody.

MJ:

I'm sure, and it's definitely a mindset thing. I've never once gotten frustrated and supernatural in that way. I know that happens to you often or used to. I haven't heard you talk about it recently, but um like I remember you rage quitting some pros only boxing. Yeah, Julia's, like Marla. Why are you calling me out here? Um, I, I take that back. I have been frustrated and it's because of angles and set up.

MJ:

Because I feel like this target did not lead you to the next target. Why am I sitting over here? That's when I get frustrated. But when it comes to complexity or challenging, no, that makes me excited and it makes me want to get back in. It makes me want to continue to try Just own it. That makes me excited and it makes me want to get back in. It makes me want to continue to try. Um, just like, own it. Um, the first time I saw those knees, I. It took me months to get a hundred percent accuracy on this workout.

Julia:

This is a high. This is a high. We're not even talking about pros, only here.

MJ:

It took me months, very challenging. I remember the day I got it and I was so excited you linked on to swerving really quickly.

Julia:

But it like really does make you swerve.

MJ:

Dude, I could have a whole episode on this workout. That's how much I love this workout. I know it's not for everyone. I would classify this whole workout as a dance workout for me. And see, this is the gray For some people. They're going to be like what? This is not dancing, no, it is move your body, pick your feet up, dance, move around, Swerving. This is the exception to the rule. When I said you can't find flowy flows and highs, Swerving is a flowy, dancey flow, it is. It's so good, Y'all so good, but I won't get stuck here Cause I I know I need to get you off that workout.

Julia:

I think that we should talk about shake your groove thing.

MJ:

Oh man, that medium, oh man, I love.

Julia:

So, whether a dance moves in that, or does it just make you dance? See, love Shake your Groove Thing so whether dance moves in that or does it just make you dance, see, and this is where it could really break your brain.

MJ:

Yes, the two-step triangles are really getting you to move around. And I feel like those were very intentionally put there. Also, you should be dancing.

Julia:

Yeah, I need to go back and do that one, that one. We have shake your groove thing now and a quick hit. So our inclination is to go into that a little bit more because we can get to shake your groove thing a lot faster. But you should be dancing. That one was a good one too, and it's and it's last. So but the whole workout's really good, but I don't remember a whole lot of the choreography in that one.

MJ:

Oh, I love the choreography in you Should Be Dancing. It's one of my favorite, those shake your groove thing. You Should Be Dancing. They're dance workouts for me. And see, this is the thing, but are they dance workouts for other people? And see, this is the thing, but are they dance workouts for other people? Maybe some. There's like a huge population of users who don't even want to dance. They're just hitting targets, so I feel like it's very subjective yeah, they may not even like the dancey workouts.

Julia:

They might be getting in to do those hardcore drops and break stuffs. And you know how we joke and we're like we don't want to work out to disney music. You know what I mean. That doesn't I'm not gonna put disney music in my ears and go to the gym.

Julia:

That doesn't make sense to me but, dance is a form of exercise, so that makes sense. But some people they don't want to do that, and that makes sense. But some people they don't want to do that, and that makes sense too. One of our friends, banana's favorite workout, the jazz it up.

MJ:

Yeah.

Julia:

Do you think that that?

MJ:

makes you dance, I feel like because of the choreography or just because you want to dance.

Julia:

Yep Choreography.

MJ:

All of the above, I feel like the choreography, and see, this is the one that's so hard. I feel like the choreography does lend to swing, dancing.

Julia:

Yeah, this one's very fun.

MJ:

It's super fun, the jazz that I've gone swinging with Coach Juana high intensity?

Julia:

Yep, very fun. Um, the jazz that I've gone swinging with, yes, coached one a high intensity. Um, the, which song is it? That is like there's one in there that's like my most favorite. Is it the harlem shout? I don't remember. Now we don't have the last song on here, but there's one of them in there that's like my favorite one over all of them. I think you have a side by side with we. I have two side by sides, do you?

MJ:

I have. We recorded the first two songs on this workout shorty george and in the mood, uh, I think we might actually have a third that I just never posted because, uh, okay, I made her record all a whole bunch. I was like, ah, you can, we can do your favorite and she's like okay on it, tell me which songs.

MJ:

So wear a dress um, that was a surprise. I didn't tell her to wear a dress. She wore a dress and I'm. I may have cried a little bit. Um, so, yes, that I don't know, is it I? I think the true test is people who don't dance like you.

Julia:

You know you.

MJ:

Julie, you've learned to dance over the years. You've been playing Supernatural, yeah Well, and not just dance.

Julia:

I've learned how to move Because when I first started I just stood there, Like you said, when you're telling people move your feet. I wasn't even doing that. So I had to start from the very beginning learning how to just pick my feet up and actually move myself, because I couldn't figure out why people needed a mat, Like what's wrong with you people? Why do you need a mat? Just where are you going? Where are you going? I'm having trouble here, I don't need a mat. And then I started moving my feet.

MJ:

Yeah.

Julia:

Thanks to one of Jess's really good videos. We've mentioned it before one of my favorite videos on movement and she goes through showing you just add this in and then add this in, and then you know, then you can start adding whatever you want in after you learn how to move your feet and lift your legs and got to lift your legs.

Julia:

And I think that back when I first started I think I've said this before too that the choreography didn't really lend to much movement. It was there, wasn't. I mean, you go play some of the older 2020, 2021. That was hard to say workouts and there wasn't. There weren't a whole lot of triangles and and things in there and side to side steps and things that you would see now to make you move like that. And a lot of them that I did were like the hardcore, you know EDM stuff. But I lean a whole lot more now and put my whole body into the workouts and pick up my feet. So the next thing, which I'm glad you know, now we're seeing new and different triangles and new ways to move our bodies introduced in, and I think they've done it slowly over the last year. We've really been seeing some new and fun things. That that pushes us to move our bodies in different ways in the choreography. So I mean I feel like over time, it's just going to keep going and going.

Julia:

Um, there was another medium jazz it up, classical or classics covered. Um, and I just did this one on a whim because it was the workout of the day. The last song cry me a river which most people know. It's a Michael Buble. I felt like I was in a Broadway musical performing, and just the way that the choreography and the triangles and things made you move. It was so dramatic and you really felt like you had to put that drama in there. With the way that I have gameplay, so I'll put it in the way that they made you move and do some of the tails around your head and it was just I got done and I was like, okay, I got to do that again, you know, because the feeling that it gave me and but somebody else may get in there and be like, well, I wasn't dancey to me at all. So it's very interesting.

MJ:

So prime example of this Well, one of the most fun dancey songs is in a high intensity workout with Coach Doc again. Why is?

Julia:

it's always Coach Doc, are you summoning him?

MJ:

Maybe, maybe, maybe, I will try. Come on, coach Doc, a lot of people know this workout and it's going to be rap attack, get crunk and the very last song pull over. You cannot do this song, this workout, and have your feet planted in the mud.

Julia:

There's no way.

MJ:

I mean, I'm just hearing the song in my head right now and I just automatically want to go into a lunge and do it and pull over.

Julia:

Yes, and pull over. You're turning that stairwell to pull over. I am I am man.

MJ:

I freaking love that one and the way the triangles move you and the targets oh man, we got to play this one today, I know we. Oh man, we got to play this one today. I know we haven't played Kronk in so long oh, we haven't. This whole workout is really good and it's great points. It is and it's with Coach Doc, so I mean it's like trifecta of awesomeness here, that's right, man. This is going to open up such a great discussion within the community because I really believe this is a subjective subject.

MJ:

Unless it is spelled out for everyone like the pure salsa fuego workout.

Julia:

And they did not skip the warm up.

MJ:

They listened to Leanne. You know you're going in there to do a salsa dance, right, and so you're interacting with the targets and the triangles in the mindset of I'm here to dance, I'm here to salsa dance, right. But if you're not going into all the workouts with that, are you picking your feet up? Are you dancing? Are you getting the vibes? You know like I don't know. I only know what the workouts make me do, or when we do a big giant community side by sides and we get lots of people's videos.

MJ:

Everyone's got their own style. You know, I do especially love when we pick really dancey songs and then I get to see everyone dancing more. That's always one of my favorite things too.

Julia:

Yeah, that is fun to see everyone In the Pure Salsa. We actually, from Supernatural, got a video of the choreographer, asia, doing the workout and showing us the dance outside of the headset and then kind of phasing in to showing us her doing the exact dance she was doing outside the workout, in the headset with the workout. So it's really cool when they do things like that.

MJ:

So that video that you're mentioning about asia is what opened up my eyes and sort of like my excitement about the choreography team. That's what started me on the deep diving of finding things, because I did that workout the day it came out. I I saw the post, I watched it and.

MJ:

I watched it over and over again. I was like who is this chick Like she's? She's mapping this, she's the one. And look at her moving and dancing and the way they go from her just dancing without a headset to the workout and the like. The jump edit and not a jump, the transition, all these fancy video works. I don't do those things. Anyway, it got me very interested and then I went and played the video or the workout again because I saw her, the way she was moving and doing it. Anyway, it's one of my favorite workouts to recommend. I know it kicks If you're doing it the way they're asking you to do it. It is not a medium. No, it's definitely high. We'll have to share that in our group.

Julia:

It works your glutes because, of all of the sidestepping that you're doing.

MJ:

I mean you're doing salsa through the whole thing, the shimmying you're doing with your legs, yeah, and you're moving all around.

Julia:

I love that workout, this one, even though I've gotten better at dancing is still very hard for me. I know this workout was either you loved it or hated it. When it came out, it sparked a lot of conversation in the community. When this one was released and I was I did it several times. I'm like I'm going to get it this time and this one is very hard for me to do.

MJ:

This is one of the ones that made you frustrated. It did yeah.

Julia:

But I'll still get in there and try. Every time, usually, by the end I'm just doing my own thing. But I mean, there was a lot of people who posted their videos. Yes, and some people could do it and a lot of people could not. And I'm fine doing the salsa until I have to hit a target. And then my body freaks out and it's like no, no, you're gonna stop moving down here and you're gonna move your arms instead, and I can't do both.

MJ:

That's so I have a hard time. I would love to see more of these dance focused. I would, too Workouts. Obviously it's easy because it's fuego and it's the salsa, so you can make a workout built on that. But surely there are other genres and dances that overlap that we could see a workout for. You know?

Julia:

I think that would be really interesting if they put like out that kind of a series with the intentional choreography to get you to dance you know, I agree, seeing the choreographer doing that and they're the ones that mapped it I think that's really cool, um, to be able to experience that and feel kind of connected to them in that way, because they are the ones that made it, so they are the ones that are showing you what they intended for you to do. Um, I saw this medium just dance, ride the rhythm, and I believe you put this one on here, and I was curious as to was there a specific song or was this one that made you dance?

MJ:

This is a gray area workout.

MJ:

This is a just dance workout, so you would think this workout makes me dance. I have lots of side-by-sides. I think I've recorded every song on this one. I very much love this workout. I think the movements do lend to dancing. Okay, again, I don't know what the intention is. It's the way I interpret the choreography that makes me dance, and the music. I love the music so, and it has room. It has the space to allow you to add extra movements, like I can go forward and backwards, not just side to side on my mat.

Julia:

Okay.

MJ:

To hit targets and do things. So this is a dancey workout for me. Now is it a dancey workout for someone? We need Chad to do this workout. Chad, yeah, I'm going to send you a workout and tell me if you dance.

Julia:

He's gonna be like no marla well, I don't know if I'm familiar with this one, so I'm gonna have to add it to my list, because I was like, why is this one on here? I knew it was one you added, but I didn't know why, so I'll have to add that to my list too, to see how I feel about it. Yes, um, so we don't talk about um boxing. A whole lot there are boxing and with dance, you know.

MJ:

But I think there are some. There's not a lot for me.

Julia:

There are a few, but there are a few well, I mean there are some, like you said, that will just make me dance because of the music, but I do think there are a handful that actually try to like put dance moves in there or intentional things in there to make you move your body a certain way.

MJ:

I think, when it comes to boxing, all they really can make you do is do the shoulder shimmy and change stances but you can't really you can't make you do the cupid shuffle and box. You know what I'm saying? Like no, no, it doesn't translate that way.

Julia:

But when it comes to the music and adding slip bars and bobs and weaves and uh, blocks it can get you in a dancey um place you know, the only one that I can think of that they added anything was the tap dancing one, and I don't think we even have that one on here and we talked about it yeah but it kept changing back and forth.

MJ:

Yeah, mighty music, wanna and uh. It's the second song and you cannot go in focus mode for this. You need the cues from juana.

MJ:

She warns you, she tells you you're going to do tap, tap dancing and if you know that going in, then you can kind of channel your inner tap dancer. And so when you're moving your feet and going from stance changes, you're not just changing your stance, your tap dancing, you're moving your body, you're moving your feet, and so that part and the way the targets come and you're dancing in the song. So again it's subjective, Because if you're just standing there, hitting targets and changing stance. No, it's not going to feel like a dance. That's why I didn't include it on the list.

Julia:

Well, right, but I think they all kind of are in boxing. I mean, even our favorite that we have on here, the dance around the world block, rock and beats oh, that is my favorite box.

MJ:

That is a dancing, our boxing dance workout for me and for you.

Julia:

So the last time we did this one, I really put my all into it, like even more than I ever have before. Um, and I was extremely sore the next day. Yeah, and I was sore in my glutes, yep, and my abs was with all the block, block targets and the um, what do they call the slips to get you to really move?

Julia:

But there was, there's a lot of footwork. But you have to add that in there there's a lot of footwork of the movement that is in there that I was really doing a whole lot of. Like I said in the next morning that's the only thing I could think of that made my glutes as sore as they were that made my glutes as sore as they were.

MJ:

Oh yeah, because you're constantly changing, you're doing a lot of footwork and so all your weight is on your legs, and so when you're turning and doing things and going up and that's one of the things that I love about this boxing is I'm actually doing a lot of squatting or forward lunges, because the music and the movements tell me they tell me to at least. So I think that's why it's getting your glutes, because you're going a lot lower than you typically would, and I know in for supernatural boxing they don't really want you to make huge, dramatic movements. When you're doing the slip bars, it's very slight, but in this workout I do the complete opposite and it's awesome.

Julia:

You know I make you big. Yeah, there was a high intensity fuego called arms and I forgot to put it on here. That came out right after this one and it gave me the same feel. It didn't have all the. You know the the. Why can't I?

Julia:

think all the bars, the bars, the bars. They didn't have all the bars in them, but I still had that same back and forth moving around, dancey feeling and because I didn't have all the bars which some people don't like, the boxing called arms, but I do because I feel like I can freely move my lower body however I want, without trying to get somewhere to get situated for a bar, so there's a little bit more freedom. But that one makes me dance too. I'll pop that one up on the screen, but I don't think you've done that one. I that one up on the screen, but I don't think you've done that one. I told you you needed to, but I don't think that you actually got to it, but it actually reminded me of this one. It was a little different, so you'll have to add it to your list, um, because I want your opinion on it.

MJ:

It was very interesting she just wants me to do a call to arms I do a boxing call to arms.

Julia:

Not your favorite, see, and it's mine I know but it it was. You know there's a whole, there's a whole lot more put into the call to arms that uh hurt your shoulders a little bit yeah, and then the full body movement ones, but yeah, um there's another high that I think is very subjective.

MJ:

I don't know if it made you dance, but it's a rapture. It's called popping and knocking and the movements in that one and the music listen. I love rap music so so I always move and dance and add my own things to that. But the way the slip bars how do you move? I really did feel like I was dancing, so I think that's another example. You know what I was going to say. These are all highs, but we do have a low on here, a low boxing suggestion for dancing.

Julia:

I'll let you bring that one up. Oh, this one, Do I even know this one the Hoedown, throwdown, joyride low with Dwana.

MJ:

Why am I? Why are you spacing on this one? Why am I spacing on this one? I don't know what on this one. Why am I spacing on this?

Julia:

one, I don't know what was this one.

MJ:

This one does lend. I think this is a subjective example.

Julia:

I'm not a.

MJ:

Hoedown fan. We all know this, and this one had me grooving, so that's why, I put it on here, but I'm not sure if I was just like into I'm going to say into the music. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the bars are what made it dancey for me, and the combinations with the bars lended to more dance. So, that is a low, but all the rest we have on here are highs.

Julia:

Are highs, but do you think the low gave you more room to dance because it was a lower intensity?

MJ:

Yeah, I do.

Julia:

And that's why I have a hard time. I love that you have a hoedown, throwdown. Yeah.

MJ:

And this is why it's hard for me to talk about float or just choreography style as dancing, because I I believe it's very subjective, unless it is fuego salsa, like it's an intention. We know that this is a dance workout, yeah, so that is my thought.

Julia:

Have we confused everyone? I think so, probably. Well, we will definitely have a post up in our podcast group for the Love of the Map podcast on Facebook, and we would love to hear all of your thoughts on all of this confusing? No, it's not confusing. On, if you think the dance, do you want it in the choreography? Do you not want it in the choreography? Do you like to add your own? Do you think it's subjective, like boxing flow? We want to know all about it right I definitely plan wordy post.

MJ:

Well, I plan to make graphic with all of the ones that we know for sure are intentional dance workouts, but there's also a lot of subjective ones on here. I know there are, so I feel like we should share them and have the community share them with us as well. Yeah, and I'm very interested to talk about this. I'd love to have like a Zoom meeting where we just talk about this. I know Because my brain was. I was like, yeah, this is going to be a great topic, and then I started really thinking about it and making notes and researching and I was like, no, and at one point I turned the music off on a workout and then I, julie, yelled at me don't do that, no, don't do that.

Julia:

That's not. No, I'm like, I'm sorry, I was like I'm leaving mine on. You, do what you want I got.

MJ:

I overthink things, so this is who I am. So that's probably why I like to escape into dance because I'm not overthinking, I'm just moving, I'm letting the music take over. It's also why I like complex prose only because I just have to surrender myself to what is happening and I really don't think about it.

Julia:

Yeah, but I mean, if you think about doing the Cupid shuffle without the music on, you're probably not going to have as much fun, even though those dance moves are there for you.

Julia:

So the music plays a huge part it really, really does and how you move your body, whether or not the choreography is there or not it really does. It's an interesting topic. I think it's one of the most almost if I will, you know if I could say confusing ones that we've talked about, because it's like, well, is it or isn't it? And it's just so. It's very thought-provoking.

MJ:

It's not a clear line.

Julia:

No, no, provoking, it's not a clear line. No, no, no.

MJ:

I felt like flowy flow. There was a clear line in determining the choreography there and speaking about it. But for dance flow or dance boxing, dance workouts, it's just so, so subjective. Um, like I know our friend julie, when boss moves came out she freaked out because crank that by soldier boy. She was like we're doing the exact moves from the music video, like she knew right away.

Julia:

Yeah, she did, but did everyone you know I didn't because I'd never done the. I knew it was trying to make me do something, though it was complex enough that I did feel that that I'm like it's telling me to do, it's wanting me to move a certain way, like it's concrete. Well, I mean you could do what you want, but I felt that it was a whole dance move situation, but I just wasn't familiar with it. So once.

Julia:

I familiarized myself with the dance, I was like, oh, this is what I do. So I even crossed my feet in the part in the dance video. Obviously, they can't make us do that in Supernatural and they probably aren't allowed to make us cross our feet. So they're always telling us not to cross our feet. But it's really fun if you could get that in there to cross your feet you really feel like you're doing something. Then Now I probably don't look as cool as I feel like you're doing something. Then now I'm probably don't look as cool as I feel like I'm looking.

MJ:

but it's fun. No, you definitely look as cool as you think.

Julia:

I promise you you promise, because you saw me right, I did. I still need to record that one I promise you, you look just as awesome as you think you do why is it, when we turn the camera on, we can't do the things, though Not here, but I'm talking about in our side by sides? It's like I've got this, I've nailed it, and then, you know, something happens.

MJ:

It reminds me of that time we recorded um alone the last song, and not in this alone.

Julia:

And we were in a party together and we were like, okay, we're going to go so low on our squats. Yeah, so low. We're not even going to talk to each other, Dude we were so out of breath. We watched it back.

MJ:

We watched it back and I was like hold on a second. It doesn't look like we're low at all, but it felt so low. Oh man, it felt so low.

Julia:

This is why you got to record yourself, y'all. Record yourself.

MJ:

Have to.

Julia:

We weren't low, we didn't even talk, we were like we're really going to focus on this so we can get our squats in. Oh well, I'd rather just dance Same Same.

MJ:

It's fun though.

Julia:

It is fun and.

MJ:

I think we have a dancing workout as a suggestion this week.

Julia:

We do. I was just getting ready to say our weekly workout suggestion this week is fuego, of course, a fuego, right, I love me a good fuego, suave sparring, but with mindy high intensity from 12, 29, 22. It's a good time and it's my favorite song. Yeah, it's a boxing. My favorite song is the cola song. Wait, is my song out of here, the one where you say ole, where is it? Is that the cola song? Maybe?

MJ:

it is, I don't know.

Julia:

That's my favorite and you always have to yell it. I thought it was called ole, but I guess I don't know anything. But if you don't, if you're working out with me in a party and you don't, yell ole during the ole parts.

MJ:

You gotta go, you're kicked out?

Julia:

no, I'm kidding. Which one's your favorite in this? Uh, last one con karma, it's my absolute favorite.

MJ:

This was the first time I noted noticed dance in boxing. I feel like the movements and the music go together so perfect that it was intentionally mapped to get you to move more dance boxing versus traditional box form, that's what I'm saying I can.

Julia:

I'll agree with you. When this one came out it was pivotal and I played this that day like four or five times and then just multiple times. Just I've played this one so much. It's a good time, it's very fun very fun.

MJ:

It stands up to um, to the test of time too. It's I mean, it's an older workout, I, but we go back to it a lot 2022. It is, but we go back. We go back to it and still play and it still holds. It still is as exciting. Even though we're used to more complexity and different things now, this one is still great and still offers complexity, different brain teasing moments.

Julia:

Yeah, there's still a target in Despacito that I'm like, oh, I missed it again. Yeah, like every time it sneaks up on me. So, and you're right, I've never thought about this one. This one has, you know, stood the test of time. We do go back to this one often and it's at the forefront when we think about fun boxing. We're always like oh, what about this one?

MJ:

so definitely go um oh, I was gonna say, I usually try, and when I pick workouts for competitions, for team competitions in euclid, I try and sneak this one in somehow um, because I feel like it. It it really does open you up to a whole new world. If you've never played it you just get a whole new vibe or way to to box. It doesn't have to be all serious form all the time, it can be more fun and laid back and dancey and dance yeah.

Julia:

I love this one. I think it's cool that you find ways like that to let other people you know or try to get other people to experience this workout. But if you want to ever find any of the workouts that we mentioned, we do have an account called For the Love of the Map in the companion app, so you can easily bookmark workouts that we discuss each week. So that's right and after you do this workout. What do they need to do? Do?

MJ:

not forget to rate it. That's right. Do the rating. Make sure you look to the left when you're done the workout and pick all the needful things. Did you like it? Did you love it? Was it not for you? You didn't like it. What you liked about it? Did you love it? Was it not for you? You didn't like it. What you liked about it? Was it the movements? Was it the music? Always the coaching. Don't mute them. Listen to them and and do it. You know. Send them the feedback they want to hear from us. It's important, even on these old workouts, but especially new workouts and but especially new workouts. And if you have more details to give them, hit other and it will send you an email and you can give them all of your feedback. Write them novels, like I do on occasion, and someone from support will reply back to you within 24 hours.

Julia:

And, yeah, don't forget to rate the workout. That's right?

MJ:

well, we really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to hang out with us and don't forget the real love and joy of supernatural is found in the journey you go on bye.